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Changing my B permit to a C Permit

Hi all,

Just wanted to see if anyone has had a similar experience as me or might have further info they can give me - anything is appreciated (Also I searched and don't quite find anything that matches in the forum) . I am a US citizen that has been living in Switzerland(Kanton Zurich) for 5 years this coming January. I have held a B permit the whole time and have lived at the same address the whole time. I have to renew my permit yearly and it is quite a pain and a bit of back and forth. I know that this year I should be eligible for a C permit. However, today in the mail I received the same old B Permit Verlängerungsgesuch as every other year with no mention of a C. I was hoping I would automatically be offered a C permit but seems no dice. I will visit the Gemeinde tomorrow to ask them but just wanted to see if anyone had a similar experience in the mean time. Do you have to explicitly ask for a C permit normally as a non-EU?

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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

5 years is norm for eu8, new eu can be 10 years so unless there is a special agreement for usa or you asked specifically for C then i wouldn't expect it.
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

Hi rob1,

Thanks but from what I heard US and Canada are treated similar to EU when it comes to a C permit. Also from what I have read in this forum and here section 8.2..

http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...ewilligung.pdf


I have done my homework and am eligible. Just want to see if others had to explicitly ask for it or what the experiences were.


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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

Ok then it relates to my experience. . I am eu8 but had to ask specifically for the C. It depends who is in the geminde at end of day and who ticks the boxes.
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

Anybody else got anything tonight?
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

You are right. 5 years is enough for a US citizen. I recently received my C permit so I can offer you my experience:

I received the normal B-permit renewal application. Dutifully filled it out, I took it to the Migrationsamt in Oerlikon (I live in Stadt Zurich) and asked about a C. The man at the counter told me I had to explicitly ask for it. So he let me write a nice formal note (in German) right in front of him requesting it. He then sent it, along with the B-permit renewal application, to the authorities.

A week or two later I received a letter saying that I needed to send a copy of my employment contract, proof that I had not received any social welfare benefits, proof that I had no Betreibungsauszug, and proof of German at a minimum A2 level.

3-4 weeks later I became the proud owner of a C-permit.
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

Usually you just request a C permit when you send back the form. Some cantons seem to do the change automatically and others don't so.

However, for Zurich unless you have a B1 at least in German you won't get a C permit (see your link then Google Translate).

"5.1 General
The residence permit, after a continuous stay with a residence permit during the past five years, may be given if a successful integration exists, especially if the person has a good knowledge of a national language (Art. 34, para. 4 FNA).

In the canton of Zurich, the reference level B1 is required in German language."
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

Hi Medeca,

However I have heard this language requirement varies from Gemeinde to Gemeinde. I can speak German but I have not taken any test regarding it. Anyone else have any experience regarding requirement of language test?

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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

It probably does, but won't at the cantonal level which is where you're going to hit problems. The canton migration office will require a certificate for at least a B1 level, no matter what the gemeinde has to say about it.
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It probably does, but won't at the cantonal level which is where you're going to hit problems. The canton migration office will require a certificate for at least a B1 level, no matter what the gemeinde has to say about it.
Maybe if you do speak the language but do not have a certificate they can assess your language directly? For example for naturalization you do not really need a certificate because there will be an interview during which they assess your language skills anyway.

Or maybe for C permit the authorities do not bother to do that (otherwise they will be overwhelmed by interviews..) and only accept a recognized 3rd party test certificate...
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

At the Gemeinde I have even translated for a work colleague and they all know me there over the years - Hopefully they can have some sway in the decision since the renewal form seems to only have their address on it. I am now following the course of action to write a very nice letter stating my request for a C permit upgrade bring it with my completed B permit paperwork. I guess I will see what happens .
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

However @Medea have you actually gone thru the process of the C permit?
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

Also let me ask another question here. Has anyone on this forum gone thru the process as a non-EU and NOT had to have a proof of language test?
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

My boss (EU) went from B --> C after 5 years with A2 level German this year. I was told I could apply when my B renewal came up a couple of months ago (I am EU too), but when I questioned the language requirement the guy in the Gemeinehaus said, "Oh yes, you're right, you need A2". Since I haven't passed the exam yet, I got a replacement B. We are both Kanton Zürich but live in different Gemeinde.
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However @Medea have you actually gone thru the process of the C permit?
Yes, I did, but my other half is an EU national so Fribourg canton just issued us with C permits after 5 years automatically. Back in 2003 there wasn't any requirement to provide evidence of language skills.
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Yes, I did, but my other half is an EU national so Fribourg canton just issued us with C permits after 5 years automatically. Back in 2003 there wasn't any requirement to provide evidence of language skills.
And in some cantons there still isn't. Zurich is however one of the cantons that require it so the OP will very likely have to provide some evidence of his language capabilities.
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

You need a language certificate-no compromise.
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

I have talked to a few non-EU who got by without it and they always talked to the clerks at the Gemeinde in German and maybe some boxes were ticked in the background . Well I guess I will give it a try anyway. If it doesn't go thru then I will go on a B again and schedule the test for sometime this year. Fingers-crossed.
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

My experience: Husband and I both American. Issued B permits in 2009 good for one year. Issued B permits in 2010 good for two years. Ditto in 2012.

When our permits came up for renewal in 2014, at the bottom of the renewal form was a box to tick off if we wanted to be considered for C permits, which we did.

At the cantonal office in Lausanne, we presented our renewal forms, husband's proof of employment, my B2 French certificate and no proof of language for my husband.

C permits arrived in the mail in about 4 weeks.
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Re: Changing my B permit to a C Permit

Thanks TheSpouse. I am drafting up a nice letter to the Gemeinde, crossing my fingers and hoping the Filz gets me thru this one . I am willing to take a language test just don't want to rush into it since I can communicate fairly well in German on a day to day basis.
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