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David_Wells 23.11.2014 01:11

Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
Hello,

I am curious if anyone has any information on going to school in one canton but living in another. will my Type D visa permit that?

I will be going to school in geneva, but hoping to live outside Geneva in St. Cergue

Does anyone have experience with St. Cergue?

Should I apply to Vaud Agency for my Student Visa ?

I have heard applying for a visa for Geneva generally takes a lot longer?

So, Can I Live in St. Cergue and go to school in Geneva?

Kosti 23.11.2014 01:39

Re: Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
Yes you can

From your post it sounds like your type D visa is already issued. In any case, you dont get to decide which canton to apply for your type D visa.

If you already have a place to stay in St Cergue, then you simply need to register at the controle des habitants responsible for st cergue after arriving. Then the permit will be issued by Vaud. They might ask for some documents again.

If your first temporary address is in Geneva, you`ll have to register in Geneva to begin with and later change cantons.

Medea Fleecestealer 23.11.2014 10:13

Re: Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
Let's make this clear. Your Type D visa is only to allow you to enter Switzerland legally long term, it has no effect on where you can live once you're here.

As you've applied to a school in Geneva that's the canton that has granted you permission to come and live and study there so that's where your student permit will be issued from. You need to find a place, temporarily at least, in Geneva so you can register and get your permit. Vaud cannot issue it to you because they are not the canton that granted it. However, because Geneva is a very small canton (city only basically) I wouldn't think there'd be any problem with you asking to live in Vaud as many people do this. Best thing to do though is contact them beforehand and ask, then you'll know if they have any objections and can plan your accommodation needs accordingly.

Office cantonal de la population et des migrations (OCPM)
Service Étrangers et Confédérés
Rte de Chancy 88
1213 Onex
tél. : 022 546 48 88
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Kosti 23.11.2014 10:30

Re: Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2287884)
Let's make this clear. Your Type D visa is only to allow you to enter Switzerland legally long term, it has no effect on where you can live once you're here.

As you've applied to a school in Geneva that's the canton that has granted you permission to come and live and study there so that's where your student permit will be issued from. You need to find a place, temporarily at least, in Geneva so you can register and get your permit. Vaud cannot issue it to you because they are not the canton that granted it. However, because Geneva is a very small canton (city only basically) I wouldn't think there'd be any problem with you asking to live in Vaud as many people do this. Best thing to do though is contact them beforehand and ask, then you'll know if they have any objections and can plan your accommodation needs accordingly.

Office cantonal de la population et des migrations (OCPM)
Service Étrangers et Confédérés
Rte de Chancy 88
1213 Onex
tél. : 022 546 48 88
fax : 022 546 48 10
Internet

This is incorrect to my knowledge. Since 2008 the requirement to live in the same canton where the university/employer was based has been abolished.
I know this firsthand from having to live in Neuchatel from the date of arrival while having been admitted to an university in Vaud.

Vaud can issue a permit for a student in Geneva. It will simply take longer since they will have to get the OPs file from Geneva, and redo some paperwork that Geneva has already done.

David_Wells 23.11.2014 10:33

Your a shining angel in a world full of confusion, I cannot thank you enough for making this so clear!

Re-wind, ok so does the abolishment apply to non EU people as well I am a North American, well if there is an additional wait is it worth it to just apply to vaud off the bat? Or should I apply in GENEVA. First and then apply for the VAUD permit ? I have heard that Geneva is exceptionally long visa approval waits?

Kosti 23.11.2014 11:06

Re: Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
Yes the rule change in 2008 was for non-EUs.

Its best to register directly in Vaud to save time and the hassle of a canton change later on. Nothing stops you from registering first in Geneva and then changing cantons, but it will take much longer and you will have to pay twice in the two cantons.

It will be easier to find an apartment in St Cergue than in Geneva for sure.

Medea Fleecestealer 23.11.2014 12:45

Re: Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
Yes, it does seem you can apply straight to Vaud for the permit. It's a bit confusing in the Foreign Nationals Act:

"Art. 36 Place of residence
Persons with a short stay permit (L), a residence (B) or a permanent residence (C) permit are free to choose their place of residence within the canton that granted the permit.

Art. 37 Change of the place of residence to another canton
1 Persons with a short stay permit or a residence permit who would like to relocate their place of residence to another canton must apply for the appropriate permit from the new canton beforehand.

2 Persons with a residence permit are entitled to move to another canton provided they are not unemployed and there are no grounds for revocation in terms of Article 62.

3 Persons with a permanent residence permit are entitled to move to another canton, provided there are no grounds for revocation in terms of Article 63.

4 No permit is required for a temporary stay in another canton."

http://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifie...232/index.html

As David will get a student B permit he can move to Vaud. I still think technically he should register with Geneva first and then relocate (as it states) to Vaud, but so many people interchange between the two cantons it's probably not a problem to apply to Vaud straightaway. Plus you'll save on the second fee by going straight to Vaud.

David, don't worry about permit approval, it doesn't apply to you. Your permit has already been approved by the acceptance to the uni and going through the permit application attached to that. Otherwise you would not have been issued with a visa to enter Switzerland. It'll probably take several weeks to actually issue the permit (you'll need to provide biometric data for one thing plus the canton swap will slow things down too), but it's already been approved and you can start your classes on time.

bugger 24.11.2014 00:19

Re: Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
I can confirm this, I have a friend who is enrolled in UNIGE but has accommodation in Vaud, and has been approved by Vaud

happyrobbie 24.11.2014 11:29

Re: Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
I have friends who study at EPFL and applied the first permit directly in VS and got accepted.

I have friends who study at UniGE and applied the first permit directly in VD and also no problem.

But I also have friends who study at uniBe and lived at first in BE and then wanted to relocate to live in FR but got rejected by FR by saying that non-EU students cannot live outside of the canton of university (this happened after 2008).

So I think it really depends. But, between GE and VD the commuting (including students) is SO common, plus the general openness and tolerance of VD on these kind of things related to foreigners, if I were you I would not expect any problem of applying directly in VD.

Shorrick Mk2 24.11.2014 12:03

Re: Student visa Geneva, living in Vaud
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by David_Wells (Post 2287812)

Does anyone have experience with St. Cergue?

Yes - commute is going to be hell.


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