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Naturalisation: what type of permit should we have while applying?

Hey everyone ,

Is it true that since 2015 only the holders of C permit are eligible for naturalisation?
I live here in Switzerland since march 2003, holding a "carte de legitimation" until August 2007, then re-entered Switzerland on october 2008 holding a B permit for students. Is this one year gap will cause me trouble? As a student with that type of permit is there any way to obtain swiss nationality? Btw, I'm non-EU.
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Re: Naturalisation: what type of permit should we have while applying?

No, that law hasn't come into force yet as far as I know.

Yes, the one year gap will cause problems I believe as you need 12 years continuous residence to be eligible for naturalisation though the student years may count double.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

You may also need to prove your Swiss language skills as well.
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No, that law hasn't come into force yet as far as I know.

Yes, the one year gap will cause problems I believe as you need 12 years continuous residence to be eligible for naturalisation though the student years may count double.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

You may also need to prove your Swiss language skills as well.
Thanks for your help, in fact I'm 33, and according to the federal law, the years between 10 and 20 will be doubled.
So you think next year I might be eligible to apply for the nationality? When will the new law about c permit holders be executed? BTW I speak fluently French, no worries about that.

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No, that law hasn't come into force yet as far as I know.

Yes, the one year gap will cause problems I believe as you need 12 years continuous residence to be eligible for naturalisation though the student years may count double.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

You may also need to prove your Swiss language skills as well.
No, the requirement of 12 years is definitely not consecutive.

The federal requirement is:
1. You have lived in Switzerland (in your life) for 12 years totally.
2. In the past 5 years, you have been living in Switzerland for at least 3 years.

The cantons have, however, their additional requirement.
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Thanks for your help, in fact I'm 33, and according to the federal law, the years between 10 and 20 will be doubled.
So you think next year I might be eligible to apply for the nationality? When will the new law about c permit holders be executed? BTW I speak fluently French, no worries about that.

Thanks again.
It was recently reported that the new law will go into force in 2015. So, yes, as of next year you will need to be on a C permit to apply.

If you google in French "nouvelle loi sur la naturalisation suisse 2014" you will get plenty of hits that will explain to you further what implications the changes will have on your situation.
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Re: Naturalisation: what type of permit should we have while applying?

The new law has been discussed here:

http://www.englishforum.ch/permits-v...r-8-years.html

(BTW in the end it was 10 years, not 8)
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Re: Naturalisation: what type of permit should we have while applying?

Here's a link to the Vaud webpage about naturalization. Since you are fluent in French, you should be able to navigate and understand it far better than I can.

http://www.vd.ch/themes/vie-privee/p...aturalisation/
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It was recently reported that the new law will go into force in 2015. So, yes, as of next year you will need to be on a C permit to apply.

If you google in French "nouvelle loi sur la naturalisation suisse 2014" you will get plenty of hits that will explain to you further what implications the changes will have on your situation.
I remember there was a thread on EF (I cannot find it though) where someone gave a link that the new law won't be in force before 2017.
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I remember there was a thread on EF (I cannot find it though) where someone gave a link that the new law won't be in force before 2017.
Interesting! We were just talking about it the other day and I was sure that it was 2015. There are a few people who are preparing their dossier that will be disappointed.

From the other thread it says that it will come into force in 2015 however others say this is just for the canton of Zurich. I don't read German so I can't confirm.

Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]
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Interesting! We were just talking about it the other day and I was sure that it was 2015. There are a few people who are preparing their dossier that will be disappointed.

From the other thread it says that it will come into force in 2015 however others say this is just for the canton of Zurich. I don't read German so I can't confirm.

Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]
The link from Canton Vaud that was provided previously in this thread (http://www.vd.ch/themes/vie-privee/p...aturalisation/) gives Autumn 2016 as the moment at which it is expected the law will go into force. Further information in a pdf file linked to from that page (http://www.vd.ch/fileadmin/user_uplo...%A9_suisse.pdf) explains that consultation with the cantons and the development of new procedures are taking place between now and Autumn 2015, with the law's entry into force expected a year after that. It's hard to know exactly how authoritative this is, as it comes from a canton and not the federal government, but it's the most concrete timeline I have seen anywhere.
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Re: Naturalisation: what type of permit should we have while applying?

This is what the law says.

Chapitre 3 Référendum et entrée en vigueur

Art.52

1 La présente loi est sujette au référendum.
2 Le Conseil fédéral fixe la date de l’entrée en vigueur.

Chapter 3 Referendum and entry into force

Art. 52

1 the present law is subject to the referendum.
2 the federal Council fixes the date of the entry into force.

As far as I understood it there was some harmonisation that needed to be done between the cantons before it could become law so 2016-17 sounds about right.
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Hey everyone ,

Is it true that since 2015 only the holders of C permit are eligible for naturalisation?
I live here in Switzerland since march 2003, holding a "carte de legitimation" until August 2007, then re-entered Switzerland on october 2008 holding a B permit for students. Is this one year gap will cause me trouble? As a student with that type of permit is there any way to obtain swiss nationality? Btw, I'm non-EU.
By the way, doing the math, it looks like you will reach the point of having 12 years of residence in Switzerland (as still required by the current law on citizenship) early in 2016 (you have about 4.5 years of residence between 2003 and 2007, so you will need about 7.5 years from the point your current period of residence started in October 2008). From the information available (on the Vaud website, for example), it seems that will be just in time to get an application in under the current law, and the new law explicitly states that even after it goes into force, applications filed while the old (current) law was still in force will be adjudicated in accordance with the old (current) rules. This would work in your favor, as you would/will not be eligible for naturalization under the new law as a non-C-permit holder. So hopefully the timing will work out!
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By the way, doing the math, it looks like you will reach the point of having 12 years of residence in Switzerland (as still required by the current law on citizenship) early in 2016 (you have about 4.5 years of residence between 2003 and 2007, so you will need about 7.5 years from the point your current period of residence started in October 2008). From the information available (on the Vaud website, for example), it seems that will be just in time to get an application in under the current law, and the new law explicitly states that even after it goes into force, applications filed while the old (current) law was still in force will be adjudicated in accordance with the old (current) rules. This would work in your favor, as you would/will not be eligible for naturalization under the new law as a non-C-permit holder. So hopefully the timing will work out!
Well, possibly, but she can apply for a C permit at 10 years or even earlier under the VINTA system so she could be a C permit holder anyway by the time the law changes.
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Well, possibly, but she can apply for a C permit at 10 years or even earlier under the VINTA system so she could be a C permit holder anyway by the time the law changes.
Indeed; obviously, if the original poster subsequently obtains a C permit, he or she will still be eligible to apply for citizenship under the new law when it comes into force. But unless he or she *is* eligible for the C permit after 5 years' residence through VINTA (in which case I would have thought that he or she would have obtained one already, but maybe not), isn't it the case that he or she would only be able to obtain a C permit in late 2018 (that is, after 10 years' continuous residence)?

Given that, applying as a B-permit holder under the current law, if it is still in force, upon accumulating the required 12 years' (non-continuous) residence in early 2016 would clearly be the better option (saving two and a half years and whatever hassle is involved in converting from B to C).
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Re: Naturalisation: what type of permit should we have while applying?

Problem is that neither carte de légitimation nor Student B makes OP eligible for C.


And that's among those categories that will be mostly penalized by the new law.
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Re: Naturalisation: what type of permit should we have while applying?

Canton Vaud website says that the new law is expected to come into force not earlier that autumn 2016.

http://www.vd.ch/fileadmin/user_uplo...%A9_suisse.pdf

So the current law which does not require Permit C is valid for about 2 more years.
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