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nonEU and nonEU fiancee - visa options

I have a question regarding the whole dependent/fiancée


I'm an American and my fiancee is also a nonEU. I will be graduating from ETH in the summer and I would like to know if there are any options for me to bring my fiancee over to Switzerland IF I'm able to get a job lined up of course?
If it helps, she completed her master's at Uni Bern last year.



I read that a fiance visa is something that might exist but it has the condition that you have to marry within some months. If possible I would like to avoid that. Could I show that I will be supporting her and be able to get her some kind of permit?


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Re: nonEU and nonEU fiancee - visa options

IF you get a job it may be possible. Firstly, though where do you think you'll get married and roughly when? Usually it's easier to marry outside of Switzerland as it's quicker and not so complicated.

If you have a job and a big enough place to live you then have two options, well three if she gets a job offer independently of you. First, the fiancée permit, second the concubine permit. I don't know what you need for the fiancée one, but obviously the Swiss will be expecting you to marry fairly soon (she is your fiancée after all which is why they grant the permit). For the concubine as well as being employed and having a big enough place for both of you to live, you have to guarantee to support her financially for 5 years, even if the relationship subsequently breaks down. I'm not sure in either case whether she would be allowed to work with those permits.

Here's a link for Vaud's info on the concubine permit:

http://www.vd.ch/themes/vie-privee/p...s-du-concubin/

Other cantons will have similar, though not necessarily the same, conditions.
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Re: nonEU and nonEU fiancee - visa options

Thanks so much for the response.

Regarding the concubine permit can anyone support her? For example, her sister is also working in Zurich and if she is making enough money and has a big enough place, would that also work?

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Re: nonEU and nonEU fiancee - visa options

Coming back to this thread 1.5 years later, I finally managed to get a permanent contract but still have not married simply because we didn't want to live separately for our first year of marriage. So now with the permanent contract (still pending permit approval), would it be easier to bring my fiance over and marry asap? I have a big enough apartment and will be making enough to support the both of us.

I saw a couple posts saying the authorities might look down upon that fact that we've been living separately for so many years, but with a valid reason would this be a concern? Long story short: we meet while students in Switzerland, after graduation she ended up getting a phd position in the UK and I got a temp contract here in CH. All in all we've been together for 5+ years, constantly traveling back and forth.
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Re: nonEU and nonEU fiancee - visa options

I shouldn't think so. If anything it demonstrates you understand Swiss rules and regulations and have done your best to abide by them. More info on getting married in Switzerland here:

https://www.ch.ch/en/marriage

Do wait until that new permit is officially approved of course.

As for your previous question for your info, no that wouldn't have worked. She would have been your concubine so it's up to you to support her, no one else can do that if applying for that permit. Nor could her sister have done so under family reunification. She is only allowed to bring in her spouse and children of her marriage under the age of 18 under non-EU family reunification. Your fiance would not have come under that rule.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification
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I shouldn't think so. If anything it demonstrates you understand Swiss rules and regulations and have done your best to abide by them. More info on getting married in Switzerland here:

https://www.ch.ch/en/marriage

Do wait until that new permit is officially approved of course.

As for your previous question for your info, no that wouldn't have worked. She would have been your concubine so it's up to you to support her, no one else can do that if applying for that permit. Nor could her sister have done so under family reunification. She is only allowed to bring in her spouse and children of her marriage under the age of 18 under non-EU family reunification. Your fiance would not have come under that rule.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification
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I shouldn't think so. If anything it demonstrates you understand Swiss rules and regulations and have done your best to abide by them. More info on getting married in Switzerland here:

https://www.ch.ch/en/marriage

Do wait until that new permit is officially approved of course.


https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification
Just got word that my employer said they can apply for my fiance's permit at the same time as mine. I assume this would be the better option right? Would this lessen the chance of my work permit being approved though as now they need to approve 2 at the same time?

some background: I've been working at one of the big pharma companies in Basel for 2+ years, first 1.5 years on a student B permit (internship/master thesis) and last 1 year on L permit. The same company has now offered me a permanent position in a senior role. I'm fairly stressed out as I've always had problems with getting each of the various work permits in the past and now they will need to apply for a whole new permit as my previous/current one has me registered in Zurich (and wochenaufhalter in Basel).
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Re: nonEU and nonEU fiancee - visa options

If they're willing to add her permit to the application I 'd go for it. It'll save the hassle of trying to do it later. So long as your salary is enough to support you both and your accommodation is big enough for two I can't see it creating additional problems. Check what permit they're going to be applying for: the fiance or the concubine. If the fiance then you'll probably need to provide additional paperwork of where and when you plan to marry in Switzerland - because that's what it's for basically. The concubine will be more things like evidence of holidays spent together, etc.
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If they're willing to add her permit to the application I 'd go for it. It'll save the hassle of trying to do it later. So long as your salary is enough to support you both and your accommodation is big enough for two I can't see it creating additional problems. Check what permit they're going to be applying for: the fiance or the concubine. If the fiance then you'll probably need to provide additional paperwork of where and when you plan to marry in Switzerland - because that's what it's for basically. The concubine will be more things like evidence of holidays spent together, etc.
Thanks! I heard for the concubine visa you also have to prove why marriage is not a option yet. I would think this might be difficult otherwise I would've considered this option so we have more time to plan a proper wedding. For the when/where question of the fiance visa, do I need to have made actual reservations and have things already fairly concrete? I was planning on just doing a simple civil ceremony at the zivilstandsamt.
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Re: nonEU and nonEU fiancee - visa options

This will explain what you'll need to do.

https://www.ch.ch/en/marriage

As for the concubine option, well that will depend on the cantonal authorities, some are more lenient than others with regard to requirements. But if it's made clear that you do intend to marry in the not too distant future you might be okay for that permit. Explanation can be everything. You will marry, but don't want to rush the arrangements and then this new job offer came up, etc.
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