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Re: Swiss Marriage Visa : for Indian and Swiss citizen

LEVEL 5: Learning German in Bern
LEVEL 6: Getting job as Resident Doctor in Kanton Bern/ Swiss


I have combined above post as both are interlinked.

Steps to swiss medical Residency/ Specialisation

Step 1: Learning Swiss language upto B2.(below)
to be followed:
Step 2: Organising visa and accomodation.
Step 3: Registering onself into Swiss Med-Register & acquiring GL Number.
Step 4: Getting in contact with MEBEKO regarding Degree recognition.
Step 5: Getting a job as Intern/ Resident doctor.
Step 6: Getting into Doctorarbeit/ Thesis work for DR title.
Step 7: Preparing for Staatsexamen.
Step 8: Working further to complete remaining specialisation years to become a specialist.
Step 9: Preparing for Federal Specialist exam.
Step 10: Continuing futher medical education.

STEP 1: LEARNING THE LANGUAGE (German/ French/ Italian):
In switzerland, getting into medical residency/ Specialition program is quite difficult to impossible without required certain level of language competency.
Swiss official languages are only : German, French and Italian. ENGLISH IS NOT (one of the 4) SWISS NATIONAL LANGUAGE, NEITHER ARE SPECIALISATION COURSE HELD IN ENGLISH, Very RARELY patient prefer/ or demands for consultation to be held in english. These patients could be mostly foriegners or Tourists. I have met just 3 patients in Internal medicine and Psychiatry during last 2 years.
I had learn german and only well versed with processes or hospital in german area, particularly around Bern.

No matter how good you are in medicine; Swiss hospitals/ HOD/ Chefarzt won’t hire you without your language proficiency..!
  • Min.officially required language level: B2 based on common european framework of reference/ CEFR for EU languages
    The higher, one has the language competency, the better are chances of getting job as well as starting specialisation programme (logically ).
  • Where to learn:
 For those , who wanna start at their home country especially from Asian/ African/ American countries:
• Join a regular language school to learn at faster pace atleast upto B1. It would save your money and time in switzerland. It would a plus while finding a job as Intern/ Resident doctor.
• If possible, another alternative would be : hire a hourly based private Goethe licensed tutor for A1-A2 levels >> then join language schools for B1 (+/- B2) level. It would be more convinient if you are working at emergency dept. in your native country. I did this option which was very convinient for me while I was working then too and at ultra fast paced way for basics. Pace could vary depending on mainly individual self study etc.
 For those, who are already in Bern. There are many languages school/ organisation to help out:
Chargeable courses at: Alemania, Flying teachers, Benedict, inlingua, Migros Klubschule etc. For ex : I joined Alemania for B2 and C1 levels. Details: https://www.alemania.ch/deutschkurs
Non-chargeable Organisation: (extensive list from regional Integration centre: Kompetenzzentrum Integration Bern, Effingerstrasse 33, 3008 Bern)
- Denkmal at Lagerweg 12, 3013 Bern: (advantage: meet people from diverse linguatic backgrounds, good way to practice your own teaching skills too; disadvantage: slow paced, irregular time as well as classes)
- Meet up Bern: Register > meet at an organised Restaurant & time ; every Thursday > just spoken skill to practice. Usually few helping swiss or german volunters are almost always there to rectify the mistakes.
(advantage : person of any level are welcomed and mostly talk informally about daily life.)
  • Resources to learn from:
 I followed the Goethe prescribed books & materials from language schools in India. Later on Telc precribed study n workbooks for B2 & C1 level at Alemania.
 After passing B1 level, gradually & progressively started reading newspaper (NZZ, Tagesanzieger, Der Bild, Spiegel, Suddeutsche Zeitung); all on a common android app.
 Listened with written Transcript „Deutsche Welle: Langsam gesprochene Nachrichten“. For eg:
https://www.dw.com/de/deutsch-lernen/nachrichten/s-8030
Android apps:
here is a list of tried Apps, which probably might help you too:

1. Eng - ger Dictionary:
dict.cc dictionary (by Paul hemetsberger) or Duden

2. Vocabulary for beginners:
> Duolingo: learn languages free (by Duolingo)
> Learn German vocabulary free {by language course S.L.}
> Learn German vocabulary - 6000 words (by fun learn easy)

3. Total grammar explained in short n easy way:
German grammar (by Global Inc.} (Explained in English)

4. For beginners, according to grammar topic:
* German verb conjugator (by Ian Tipton)
* German verbs (conjugation) {by Appicenter LLC}
* German gender quiz (for all nouns) {by Nicola tesser}
* German adjective declension {by Nicola tesser}
* German verb -prepositions quiz (fixed combinations) {by Nicola tesser}

5. small sentences conversational apps:
* Babbel (subscription based)
* Duolingua german (non chargeable)

6. Newspapers:
> DW – 5 small compiled breaking world news { by Deutsche Welle} (Slow spoken news with its transcripts)
> world Newspapers { by bazimo} (select any from DACh eg: Bild, Spiegel, Süddeutsche Zeitung, NZZ)

7. Self assesment according to each level:
*Learn Deutsch DeutschAkademie (by DeutschAkademie....)

 Websites
1. Grammar in details : EN « » DE interchangeable
www.canoo.net

2. Learning material/ worksheets, according to grammatical topics*_ ger
www.nthuleen.com/teach.html

3. Grammar topics: consice & compact explained:*_ eng« »ger
www.deutschseite.de/inhalt.html

4. Newspapers:
> Deutsche Welle – 5 small compiled breaking world news {by Deutsche Welle} (Slow spoken news with its transcripts)
https://www.dw.com/de/23022019-langsam-gesprochene-nachrichten/a-47652122



PS: Special thanks to Cugeno from the link below; he helped me understand the initial process in detail.
Link: https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-visas-government/150624-medical-residency-switzerland.html#post2369136
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Re: Swiss Marriage Visa : for Indian and Swiss citizen

LEVEL 5: Learning German in Bern
Level 6: Getting job as Resident Doctor in Kanton Bern/ Swiss


I have combined above post as both are interlinked.

Steps to swiss medical Residency/ Specialisation

Step 1: Learning Swiss language upto B2 (below).
Step 2: Registering onself into Swiss Med-Register & acquiring GL Number (below).
to be followed:
Step 3: Getting in contact with MEBEKO regarding Degree recognition.
Step 4: Getting a job as Intern/ Resident doctor.
Step 5: Organising visa and accomodation.
Step 6: Getting into Doktorarbeit/Promotion/ Thesis work for <<Dr. title>> .
Step 7: Preparing for Staatsexamen.
Step 8: Working further to complete remaining specialisation years to become a specialist.
Step 9: Preparing for Federal Specialist exam.
Step 10: Continuing futher medical education.

STEP 2: Registering onself into Swiss Med-Register & acquiring GL Number
As of January 1, 2018, all medical doctors working in Switzerland will have to be registered in the medical professional register due to the revised Medical Profession Act (Med BeGe). Those who have not yet registered but who are already working before 1 January 2018 will receive a two-year transitional period (i.e till end of Dec 2019) to get themself registered.

Whom to contact for registeration:
Bundesamt für Gesundheit BAG
Abteilung Gesundheitsberufe
Gesundheitsberuferegister
Schwarzenburgstrasse 157
3003 Bern
Schweiz
Tel. +41 58 462 15 97
medreg@bag.admin.ch

Purpose: to register the medical education as well as the language competency of all healthcare professionals who are working in Switzerland with unrecognised medical degree. Simultaneously, make it available to prospective employer as well as to patients. Search according to name on: https://www.medregom.admin.ch/

Cost of registration: CHF 800 for medical education + 100 per language registration. This could vary on individual basis & decided after assesment on 1 :1 basis.

How should get register:Persons with a non-recognizable foreign diploma who have received a positive decision from MEBEKO, must be oblligatory now registered in MedRegister or MedReg.
Healthcare professionals includes doctors, dentists, pharmacists, Vets and chiropractioners.

The necessary required 6 documents are mentioned in registration form is attached (below) or download it from :
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home...nalberufe.html

Processing time: It could take around 2-3 months to get the confirmation letter.

Outcome: One is registered in „ Swiss medical Register“ and receive a confirmation letter with Global locator or GL number, is unique to each healthcare professional.

During my last interview (at my present hospital), I was asked if I am already registered or not! And I was then only registered among others

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Re: Swiss Marriage Visa : for Indian and Swiss citizen

LEVEL 5: Learning German in Bern
Level 6: Getting job as Resident Doctor in Kanton Bern/ Swiss


I have combined above post as both are interlinked.

[/B]Steps to swiss medical Residency/ Specialisation [/B]

Step 1: Learning Swiss language upto B2 (below).
Step 2: Registering onself into Swiss Med-Register & acquiring GL Number (below).
Step 3: Getting in contact with MEBEKO regarding Degree recognition.
to be followed:
Step 4: Getting a job as Intern/ Resident doctor.
Step 5: Organising visa and accomodation.
Step 6: Getting into Doktorarbeit/Promotion/ Thesis work for <<Dr. title>> .
Step 7: Preparing for Staatsexamen.
Step 8: Working further to complete remaining specialisation years to become a specialist.
Step 9: Preparing for Federal Specialist exam.
Step 10: Continuing futher medical education.

Step 3: Getting in contact with MEBEKO regarding Degree recognition.

Whom to contact for recognition:
Bundesamt für Gesundheit BAG
MEBEKO
Schwarzenburgstrasse 157
3003 Bern
Tel. +41 58 462 94 83
MEBEKO-Ausbildung@bag.admin.ch

MEBEKO (Medizinberufkommission or medical professional commission) is an authorised non-parliamentary commission (incoordination with ministry of health/ Bundesamt für Gesundheit (BAG) has both an administrative and a consulting function in the field of university medical professions. Their tasks and competences are governed by the Medical Profession Law (MedBG) and the administrative Regulations.

The MEBEKO:
  • as a consultative body, comment on subject-specific and quality-related aspects of education and training;
  • may submit proposals to the Accreditation Body, the Federal Council, the FDHA and the University Council to increase the quality of education and training;
  • decides on the recognition of foreign diplomas and advanced training titles for which there is a bilateral agreement for mutual recognition;
  • decides on the conditions that holders of an unrecognizable foreign degree must fulfil in order to obtain a federal degree;
  • supervises the federal examinations, which lead to the federal degree in human, dental, veterinary medicine or pharmacy and chiropractic;
  • and regularly reports to the EDI and the University Council on their activities.

In view of the number and breadth of the tasks, MEBEKO consists of a management board as well as the two departments Training and Further Education. Both ministries run a branch office located in the BAG Healthcare Professionals Section.

Registration (as mentioned in step 2) and Recognition of medical degree (mentioned below) are two different issues for each individual &their degree. Both are done & undertaken by MEBEKO on 1:1 basis assessment. For Swiss and EU medical degree holders (falling under step 1-3) , both processes are carried out simultaneously. For non EU medical degree holders, it’s prolonged process (mentioned under type 4 recognition)

Types of recognition in Switzerland:

DEGREE FROM SWITZERLAND or EU/EFTA COUNTRIES
1. Direct (automatic) recognition
(for medical degrees from Switzerland)
2. Direct (facilitated) recognition (for medical degrees from EU/EFTA countries)

DEGREE FROM OUTSIDE SWITZERLAND or EU/EFTA COUNTRIES
3. Indirect recognition
(for non EU/EFTA medical degrees, but recognised in EU countries)
4. Registered but unrecognised degrees (all the degree which are neither from Switzerland nor from EU/EFTA countries).

*(degrees = diplomas, in german)

A distinction is made between the recognition variants of direct and indirect recognition:
Direct recognition takes place when the diploma has been obtained in EU or a Contracting State.
Indirect recognition (= recognition of recognised degree) is done when EU country/ a Contracting State recognizes a third-country diploma and this recognition is accepted by Switzerland.


DEGREE FROM SWITZERLAND or EU/EFTA COUNTRIES

1. Direct (automatic) recognition
(for medical degrees from Switzerland)
All medical students who complete their 6th year of medicine (Bachelor & Master, each of 3yrs) in Switzerland (equivalent to Indian 5.5 yrs of MBBS/ Bachelor of medicine and surgery) are obliged to pass Swiss medical license exam (known as Staatsexamen).
It is 2 tier exam: 2x150 MCQ (written) & 12 short cases of history & exams (OSCE).

Detail about Staatsexamen: https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home...ntent_par_tabs

Upon successful completion of the license exam, Swiss medical students are automatically registered get an GL or global location number + degree as well as a official medical title {med.pract. }.

(Unlike in India, one gets <Dr.> title after successful completion of 5.5yrs of MBBS & registration with MCI. In Switzerland, in order to get {Dr.} title, medical students undertake a thesis work during their 3rd-4th year of medicine).
Upon completion of both thesis and Staatsexamen (license exam). The title changes to {Dr.med. }

2. Direct (facilitated) recognition (for medical degrees from EU/EFTA countries)

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home...r-eu-efta.html

Diplomas from the EU / EFTA can be recognized in accordance with the bilateral Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons with the EU and EFTA States. The 90-day or lesser service providers are required to initiate a special "notification procedure".

Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons (FZA)
According to the Federal Act of 23 June 2006 on the Medical Professions (MedBG), foreign diplomas are only recognized if there is an agreement on the mutual recognition of diplomas with the respective state. Such agreements have been in force since June 2002 with the EU (Free Movement of Persons Agreement, FTA) and EFTA. With regard to diploma recognition, the FZA refers to the EU directive. The recognition applies to the professional diplomas with regard to admission to the profession, but does not refer to the academic titles.

Recognition or notification procedure?
The recognition procedure is initiated by EU medical degree holders who wish to engage for professional purposes in Switzerland (for more than 90days), regardless of whether they are living in Switzerland (also considered or called as border workers). The period of validity of a recognition is not limited to timeframe or location (canton).

The notification procedure must be compulsorily initiated by EU / EFTA diploma holders who maintain their main occupation and residence in one of the EU / EFTA member states but wants to work also in Switzerland for a maximum of 90 days per calendar year. In the fields of human medicine, in addition to a qualifying diploma, an eligible specialist title is required. The notification procedure must be renewed for each calendar year.

Cost amounts between CHF 800 - 1,000 for the review of medical degree by MEBEKO and an additional CHF 800 - 1,000 for specialist titles

Requirements for this recognition:
• The applicant has the nationality of Switzerland or of a Contracting State of Switzerland (EU or EFTA) or the spouse has the nationality of one of these states;
• The diploma submitted (including any additional certificates that may be required) must correspond to EU Directive 2005/36 / EC or in the EFTA Convention;
• The diploma (including any additional passes) was issued by the authority mentioned in the EU Directive or the EFTA Convention.

Anyone wishing to pursue a medical profession in Switzerland must have the requisite language skills in the official language (german/French or Italian)of the canton in which the profession takes place. The proven language skills can be entered in the medical profession register (Swiss Medical register, mentioned in step 2). For information about the submission of applications, prerequisites for entry, fees / procedure and other important information, see: www.spracheintrag.admin.ch


DEGREE FROM OUTSIDE SWITZERLAND or EU/EFTA COUNTRIES
3. Indirect recognition
(for non EU/EFTA medical degrees, but recognised in EU countries)

As per email reply from MEBEKO under this recognition:

Requirements:
1) The applicant is Swiss or an EU/EFTA national OR is married to a Swiss OR an EU/EFTA citizen
2) The degree has been obtained or recognized in an EU/EFTA country according to Article 2 alinea 2 and to Article 3 alinea 3 of the European Directive 2005/36/ EC. (no idea: what that is..!);
3) The applicant has at least 3 years of clinical experience in the EU/EFTA country which has recognized the medical diploma OR in Switzerland.
4) The applicant has to be fluent in one of Switzerland national languages: German, French or Italian.
5) Swiss Medical Registration (MedReg) for GL number (as mentioned in step 2).

Documents required for this recognition:
• Curriculum Vitae,
• a certified copy of your passport, and – if not Swiss or EU/EFTA national- then a certified copy of your wife/ husband's passport (Swiss or EU/EFTA national), as well as a certified copy of your marriage certificate (with a certified copy of a translation, if not in English, German, French or Italian);
• a certified copy of your medical diploma (& a certified copy of an official translation, if not in EN, DE, FR, IT).
• a certified copy of the diploma’s recognition made in an EU/EFTA country, with a certified copy of an official translation of the recognition (if needed),
• the proof of work experience from Switzerland or in a EU/EFTA Member State, stating the dates when you started and ended working, your job title and working rate. You should have an equivalent of 3 years of full time clinical experience within last 5 years.
• a proof of language proficiency (level B2) in French, German or Italian (as mentioned in step 2).
• if available, document stating GL number (Swiss Medical Registration as mentioned in step 2).

4. Registered but unrecognised degrees (all the degree from non EU/EFTA countries).

This process of recognition is called: ACQUISITION Of SWISS FEDERAL MEDICAL LISCENSE
License to practice a medical profession in Switzerland is granted by cantonal authorities. Foreign medical doctors without diploma’s recognition can sometimes be authorized by cantonal authorities of public health to work in a dependent position (e.g. as a collaborator in a hospital). For that they need
a) the permission to enter the country and
b) the working-permit
Both are established by cantonal authorities on request of the future employer. To work as independent or do an Specialisation course as Assistenzarzt, a doctor needs the Federal medical diploma/license (or a recognised foreign diploma) +/- a postgraduate title (Swiss or recognised foreign title).
All those who can’t get their medical degree recognised through ANY one of processes mentioned above, fall under this type of recognition.
Foremost important and compulsory step is get oneself registered in Swiss medical register (MedReg). It’s mentioned in detail under step 2. End registration date is 31.12.2019.

3 Options/Possibilities under this recognition:
OPTION 1° - Study three years of <master in Medicine> in one of the swiss medical colleges (associated with Swiss universities at Basel, Bern, Zürich, Freiburg, Lausanne, Geneva, Neuenburg, Svizzera Italiana and ETHZ (Fall 2019 onwards). Admissionn is solely at discretionary power of each individual university. A decision from the MEBEKO about the conditions under which one can obtain the Federal medical liscense, doesn’t give right to a study place: one have to check with the university if you can obtain a study place. Each one of them have their own criteria of acceptance. For example: Uni Bern accepts directly to masters, if one has lived in Switzerland for 5yrs (it was in 2016’s criteria’s list)
- Pass the examinations of these 3 years of Masters.
- Pass the Staatsexamen/ Federal Licensing Examination (FLE).
In my opinion, it’s almost impossible way to get a medical seat at university..!

OR

OPTION 2° -Work three years full time (100% Pensum) in Switzerland as an Assistenzarzt/ JR(India)/ Resident doctor (US)/ House officer (UK) and then pass both the steps of FLE.
[I] Most of the doctors choose the pathway..![I/]

OR

OPTION 3° -Work five years full time (100% Pensum) in Switzerland as an Assistenzarzt/ JR(India) and then pass written part of the FLE.

Documents required for this recognition:
- a Curriculum Vitae,
- a copy of your passport
- a copy of your high school diploma, with translation in English, German, French or Italian
- a copy of the medical diploma from the university, with translation in EN, DE, FR, IT.
- a copy of your university medical transcript stating all the exams you took during your university studies, with translation in EN, DE, FR, IT.
- Proof of work experience in Switzerland stating the dates when you started and ended working, your job title and working rate.
- language proficiency certificate of german/French or Italian B2 level, depending in canton of your workplace.
- Swiss Medical register with GL Number

Upon receipt of all required documents, the Commission on Medical Professions will grant you permission, if needed- take any prerequisite courses or examinations for the FLE, as well as the permission to take the FLE.

Fees:
Documents evaluation & concluding decision: CHF 680.
Registration for the exam and the diploma (at MedReg): CHF 1700.
If you have to study or do prerequisite course, you must also add some study costs.
(Plz check for latest charges, mentioned above was in 2016)

Alternatives:
  • All those doctors, who have valid scores or have qualified USMLE (step 1&2 – CK,CS) or UK's PLAB as well as MRCP or AMC or any other national licensing exam, please contact MEBEKO directly. (I haven’t met someone in such scenarios, but heard, that these are also alternative ways to get your medical degree recognised, bypassing above mentioned recognition types).
  • For English speakers (still in process of reaching B2 level): find a professor or consultant (Oberarzt/Oberärztin) for thesis work >> register yourself to a university, which (s)he recommends. Details, I would write in “step 6: Getting into Doktorarbeit/Promotion/ Thesis work for <<Dr. title>> .“

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Re: Post Swiss Marriage Visa - Medical Specialisation (Step 4)

Level 6: Getting job as Resident Doctor in Kanton Bern/ Swiss

Steps to Swiss medical Residency/ Specialisation
Step 1: Learning Swiss language up to B2 (below).
Step 2: Registering oneself into Swiss Med-Register & acquiring GL Number.
Step 3: Getting in contact with MEBEKO regarding Degree recognition.
Step 4: getting a job as Intern +/- Resident doctor.
to be followed:
Step 5: Organising visa and accommodation.
Step 6: Getting into Doktorarbeit/Promotion/ Thesis work for <<Dr. title>> .
Step 7: Preparing for Staatsexamen.
Step 8: Working further to complete remaining specialisation years to become a specialist.
Step 9: Preparing for Federal Specialist exam.
Step 10: Continuing further medical education.

Step 4: getting a job as Intern/ Resident doctor.
For recognition of EU or non EU graduation degrees (equivalent indian MBBS/ or european Master of medicine), one needs to contact MEBEKO

For all those having a degree equivalent to specialisation in particular branch, need to contact SIWF of FMH.

Where to contact for recognition:

(Parent Organisation: FMH –Foederatio Medicorum Helveticorum/ Swiss Medical Association )
SIWF- Schweizer Institut für ärztliche Weiter- und Fortbildung
Elfenstrasse 18, Postfach 300
3000 Bern 15
Tel +41 31 359 11 11
Fax +41 31 359 11 12
siwf@fmh.ch
www.fmh.ch

For those pursuing to specialise in Switzerland:

Structure of Medical Residency (WEITERBILDUNG ZUM FACHARZT) in Switzerland:
The duration of specialisation program in Switzerland could vary between 4-7 years depending on branch & different conditions. Generally, it is of 5-6 years for most of the branches. Details on www.fmh.ch for each branch (in german/french).
For eg: for Internal medicine is 5 yrs. Out of which is 3 yrs. core in branch & 2 elective yrs. in different medical branches mentioned on www.fmh.ch.

In Switzerland, a resident doctor works 48hrs per week (on paper), of which 3 hrs are included for specialisation lectures. All the hospitals are fully funded through Ministry of Health (Bundesamt für Gesundheit/BAG) to promote the internal & external specialisation programs among their employed resident doctors/Assistenzärte . As per rule, the specialisation starts with a job position as AssistenzarztIn & requirements varies depending on individual settings of each branches. For e.g. no. of each intervention/surgeries in acute- chronic settings in General Surgery, posting duration in ambulatory - ward settings in Int. medicine, psychiatric or psychotherapeutic counselling/interviews, categories of hospital etc. It’s individualised for each branch:
https://fmh.ch/siwf/siwf/weiterbildu...hwerpunkte.cfm

How to start finding:

Things to keep in mind while applying for jobs as Resident doctors:
  • For non EU doctors without working exp. in Switzerland or EU countries are generally offered a position as Intern/Unterassistent (arzt) , which is meant for Students in 3-4th Year of Medicine. It could be the first step towards entering the medicine field (usually in order of vacancies available: Psychiatry >> Internal Medicine>> Paediatrics etc) . The clinical responsibility is very limited, whereby one initially shadows the consultant/Oberarzt as observer & learns the process until successive limited clinical involvement. It should normally last for 3-6months as probationary phase for judging the clinical abilities of employed intern. Intern for this post are paid 1500/month (private clinics/hospital: 10-1200).
  • Next step, which some hospital could offer is “Arzt in Praktikum”, also intern´s post with more direct patient contact/ responsibilities (2-5 patients normally at any given time; but due to scarcity of resident doctors or depending on individual clinical settings or if most of the AA go holidaying together etc., one maybe be alone just with Chef-/Oberarzt & looking after all the patients of his/her ward(s)..!!!!). This position offers better salary (30-3550/month). In my opinion, the position is usually end up like exploitation because one works fully as Resident doctor/ Assistentzarzt, but receives half the salary and the work contract extends every 3-4 month for non-ending period (at excuse/pretext of improving language skills) till such Chefarzt is satisfied. So, in such situation: better keep changing hospitals every 3-4 months till you are resident doctor. 

As I mentioned in Step 3: A position as Unterassistent oder Arzt im Praktikum wouldn´t be taken into consideration for recognition of medical degrees ! So, the faster one acquires as position as Assistenzarzt/ Resident doctor, the lesser one losses time & lesser debts, as well as the faster one can start the specialisation program..!
Also, for the working posts mentioned above, one has to apply for the post of Assistenzarzt. During job interviewing, one could get mentioned posts/ job offers.

How to find a job:

For non EU beginners in Switzerland:
- Start looking for branches with max. vacancies: (usually: Psychiatry >> Internal Medicine>> Paediatrics etc).
- Search on job-portals (mentioned below):
o http://www.fmhjob.ch/
o www.aerzte-jobs.ch
o www.medicjobs.ch
o www.jobs.ch
*for more links, google it.

After 1-2yrs of work experience or lateral entry in different department of General hospitals:
  • Apart from fulfilling the above mentioned criteria (earlier blogs: Step 1-3) and having experience in Switzerland, one should start applying for job in the interested branch or in which one wants to specialise. As per the requirement of specialisation through FMH: one has to choose the categorised & dedicated hospital for specialisation/ Weiterbildungsstätten in the region/area of Switzerland, where (s)he wants to work, through https://www.siwf-register.ch/ (in order to fulfil the requisites) & apply online through individual hospital webpages.

Document needed for first job (in German/FR/IT or English for medical degrees/docx etc.):
- CV of 2 or max. 3 pages. (Don´t include irrelevant things in detail like Poster Presentation/ Congress or Seminar attended etc). For a draft for CV for DE version: https://lebenslauf.com/
- Job application letter/ Cover letter/ Bewerbungsschreiben: customised for the mentioned post & department in DE or FR or IT (depending on region). It should be well formatted as well as without grammatical mistakes. Take help for it: german teacher/ native friends
- Work experience certificates/Arbeitszeugnisse: from Switzerland or EU countries, if any
- Medical Degree: Translated version if not in DE/FR/IT or at least in English.
- Medical Transcript: mentioning whole medical course (clinical &non clinical branches) in hours, if some hospital demands for it.
- Swiss Medical Register: mentioning individualised Global Locator Number (GLN)
- Language competency Certificate: from Goethe Institut or TOEFL etc. min upto B2.
- Resuscitation course certificate: from AHA or ERC, if any available.
- Resident Permit/ Aufenthaltsbewilligung: if already in Switzerland
- Passport: if needed/asked

Less relevant documents:
- Letter of Recommendation/Empfehlungsschreiben: if separately available (work experience certificates) but not so relevant in Switzerland.
- Others/ Misc.: which I have forgotten to mention.

What to do next?
Wait & pray for an interview call. Usually, it could take a while as well effort to get a first interview.

My experience (Oct-Dec 2016): I was then Indian doctor with no hands-on hospital experience in Switzerland or in Europe. Also, my degree was not recognised and still not! Around that time, I completed and passed my B2 German certification exam & was pursuing C1 course from Alemania, Bern.
It was time full of frustration and depression as I had applied almost 72 applications and at the end got 5 interview calls (just 2 good one). More to it, nobody (including myself and all the interviewers) knew then how a non-EU doctor can integrate into Swiss medical specialisation as well as working environment – with an unrecognised degree. After multiple enquiries from MEBEKO, I gather all the necessary Infos about it & at last, I got job in psychiatry department in SO.

Assistenzarzt interview tips:
I have merged the inputs from "doropfiz" & mine mentioned in this link:

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...iew-tipps.html

For my first Interview (things, which I didn´t do/ added infos are written in bracket):
Appearance:
> Be clean, well-groomed, shaved (or well-maintained beard), normal haircut - (1 or 2 days before would be better), nails trimmed, (ears/ nose hairs trimmed- if you have).
> (No bright Make-up or jewellery).
> Check that your teeth are clean, just before the interview.
> (If you wear glasses, makes sure they are clean, too, lenses and frames).

Clothing: formal light blue full shirt (with a collar), without perfume/ Deodrant/ aftershave + formal dark charcoal grey pant + formal shoes (no tie/ suit/ Blazer). I wore in Oct-Dec 2016 just a casual winter jacket, which I handed over to Secretary Office, before my interview.
>No T-shirts or flashy jackets or sneakers.
> You might consider a suit and tie, but only if you know that you can feel comfortable dressed this way. (My exp.: I wore suit at one interview & I was not selected there. So far, I haven't seen any JR/ junior resident/ Assistenzärzte in suit during last 2.5 year). So, I think suit with tie or sport/casual blazer would be exaggerating, but personal choice..!)
> Any decent clothing will do. Just be neat & tidy, organised and well presentable with smile.

The Content of Interview:
> In most of the cases (90-99%), It would consist of Chefarzt and one of the Leitender Ärzte during your Interview. Normally, you will get the names of the Interviewers from secretary office through email correspondence. Oberarzt are normally not entitled to conduct the job interviews of Assistenzarzt in Uni-hospitals or clinical departments, (rather a direct assessment after probationary period, if they are direct superior/in-charge).
> If you have interest, you can read about their research papers/presented med. Symposium etc. of interviewers - just show that you are smart. Normally they will however not ask you so high and so pin-pointed specific researched things. I had not done it because each one of them had around 250-300 articles (including relevant and irrelevant researches etc)
> Read your CV and job application/Bewerbungsschreiben +/- all other documents which you have submitted. In Switzerland, they ask you mostly, what you have done so far or past job profiles and positions looking at your CV. Prepare all the possible answers about these things.

In my case, half of the Interview duration were almost always dedicated to Swiss law/rules and regulations about "how to work or to have an Assitenzarzt/ JR place without a recognised medical degree. For it, I always used to keep a handy tablet with open pages of Bundesamt für Gesundheit >> MEBEKO webpages.

>In my case so far (unlike in India), they didn't ask anything about medical / situational-fictional cases. (They can ask you very grossly about somethings- but it is more common in Germany than in Switzerland. For eg: If you are going to Internal Med. interview: how do you treat or role of Antiplatelets/ Antithrombotics in a patient with MI with DIC etc.)

>Don't be lousy at any moment after meeting the interviewers, as they are more interested in know your capabilities, motivation and how can clinic/ hospital benefit from you (in short, you are best for the mentioned position..!). For this, I guess - one doesn't have to put so much of an extra effort or exaggerate.
> be loud and clear, what one speak in standard german. Ask to repeat the question without hesitation, if you don´t understand something. In an interview, you will be expected to speak in German (but not swiss german), as in future - you will have to deal with the patients directly in all clinical branches. They all (= 90-99% in German speaking area) can speak Standard German/ Hochdeutsch.
> One has enough fluency in german (if one has passed Telc/Goethe certification exam) because MEBEKO has a regulation of minimum up to B2 for working EU as well as non-EU doctors & for recognising non-EU degrees.

(If they feel that your German is not good enough or because of the first job, they sometimes also offer you paid Unterassistent position for 3-4 months and subsequently upgrade you to Assistenarzt position. I think one should immediately say yes for first job as Unterassistenz because they could organise half or fully funded "C1 kommunikationkurs für Mediziner" from local Volkhochschule & at the end, one gets work experience certificate).

Misc. general points:
> Most important of all - be punctual: Be at the reception at least 15-20mins, even if you have to wait there. Punctuality is regarded as very important in Switzerland.
> Mobile or anything electronic that can disturb/beeps should be off or not in the room. Pack switched off mobile inside your bag, so it is completely out of sight and mind while you're with your interviewers. Don't take a watch, either, that receives electronic signals or transmits beeps or lights.
> Do wear a watch, so you can track how the conversation is developing. If you are asked to speak about yourself, don't talk for less than 2 or longer than 10 minutes at a time. In general, try to answer any question from different perspective.
> Read up about all the departments of the hospital & in particular in which you have applied.
> See your hospital/ exact building location at least on google map and how to reach there, a day before. I had to go for my 1st one in SO. So, I saw on google maps than a personal visit!
> Keep all your documents (physically & electronically) available. I had it always- once during my 3rd interview, some documents were not printed but were mentioned in my Job application/Cover letter. They asked me a copy of it and I showed them the physical original ones and my application email as well.
In almost in all interview, I had to show the Swiss laws for non-EU doctors
So, my point: keep all docx in mute laptop/tablet + 1 set in pen drive/ Harddisk/ on cloud storage for immediate transfer/print out.
> Prepare your own list of questions, and be sure to ask at least something intelligently during the interview, to show that you are interested and not merely dependent on their processes.
(Questions about salary should not be at the top of your list. In Switzerland, basic salaries are fixed for Assistenzarzt & even Oberarzt but could vary on individual basis depending clinical experiences, papers published etc.)

Upon successful job placement, if one doesn´t already resident of Switzerland. Your future employer will register you for your Resident Permit at local migration office. One receives normally "L Permit" as resident doctor, if there is no family reunion or previous residence history in Schengen as well as EU region.

I guess I have written all that I followed or had experienced during my interview.


I wish you good luck for your interview & do let us know: how it was..!
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Thanks again!
Indeed this is very useful and very nicely documented.

Question: Are you also aware if somebody is going other way ie, Doctor moving from Switzerland to India?
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Indeed this is very useful and very nicely documented.

Question: Are you also aware if somebody is going other way ie, Doctor moving from Switzerland to India?
Hello there,
You are welcome..
Until now, I haven't came across such doctor i.e going to India..! Are you a doctor & willing to pursue professionally over there ?

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Hey DrRemo! I have been browsing your post since last night, you have done an incredible job!
I also an Indian, doing my MD(MBBS) in Italy and would like to move to Switzerland for residency in future. Thank you so much for all the information,hope our paths cross someday.
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Hey DrRemo! I have been browsing your post since last night, you have done an incredible job!
I also an Indian, doing my MD(MBBS) in Italy and would like to move to Switzerland for residency in future. Thank you so much for all the information,hope our paths cross someday.
Hey man
Thanx a lot..

Good luck for your ongoing course.. Learn german to max. your chance in german speaking areas.

Hopefully, we might meet.

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Regarding the procedure on the Indian side - it is more or less the same as the original poster stated, my partner lives in Goa so the lawyer came out to Goa to meet with him and we did the whole process through the Swiss Embassy in Mumbai.

A time line:
My partner started putting together his documents at the beginning of 2019 and in June he was invited to the Swiss Embassy in Mumbai for a short interview, when he also paid the fee and gave in his documents for inspection, the lawyer came to visit in September, I was notified by the Swiss Authorities in Switzerland in November and I received the Ermächtigung on the 18th of December, so it took pretty much a full 6 months.


My partner and I have more or less completed the process now for his visa and I received the Ermächtigung zur Visumerteilung yesterday in the post from the Migration department.
The Swiss Embassy in Mumbai told him to send them a scan of it by email and they will then inform him of the further steps. But basically as I understand it now, we have managed to get over the worst of it.

Just a quick update:

The questions I received from the Migrations department to answer were of a more general nature - so it seems there is not one set of questions they ask everyone. I was asked to
explain how it is that we speak in English together and where did he learn to speak English - a bizarre question since we both grew up bilingual in an international enviornment, how can you prove it? I explained just that.

How often I have been to India to visit him with proof - visas, airline tickets, hotel bookings with both our names on them and detailing the places we visited.

I was also asked if he is planning to work in Switzerland.

We were asked if we have a date in mind for marriage and why this date. Did we both decide to get married and what were the circumstances
If he has any relatives in the Schengen area or in Switzerland and if he himself has ever been to Switzerland or lived in a Schengen country.

If he has ever been married "traditionally" as opposed to conventionally.

They also wanted photographs of us.
We have known each other since high school and have been together for nearly 6 years, I explained to the authorities that we are not of the selfie generation and I can provide 1 picture with both of us on it and others which we took of each other.

How do we communicate when we are apart? For this, I sent a screen shot of our call log on the Telegram app, showing how often we speak on the phone.

Documents:

A copy of my lease stating how many people live in my flat
Proof of my travel to India
The confirmation from the Zivilstandeskreis
My divorce papers as I had been married before
Confirmation from the social department that I not depending on benefits
Finacial guarantee, signed by me and by my partner. You can send a scan to your partner, he sends it back. I put the copy he sent me with both of our signatures on it plus the original with only my signature on it.

I also added my work contract - it is not stipulated in the financial guarantee that you have to send proof, it seems that most people send 3 months worths of payment slips, I decided to just send them my contract which states my salary. Contrary to popular opinion, the guarantee does not mean you have to prove you have 30'000 in the bank. It basically says that if anything happens - medical emergency etc..you declare yourself liable.

In the letter I explained how long we know each other and how our relationship developed.

Now we are just waiting to hear from the embassy in Mumbai to go further.
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Hey Starbug

Firstly, congratulations & thanks for sharing your experience here. You are about reach the finish line with good news that your partner will get marriage visa, what I can sense from reading your post & type of questions they have asked.
Secondly, you guys have been asked a lot of details, proofs, pictures etc which was not our case.
But at last: all end that ends well. Hopefully, you should get the good news in coming few days.

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Just an update.
My partner got his visa and arrived here in January. However to give everyone a heads up with the process on the Indian side.
1. You must send an email to the Swiss embassy in Delhi with your Ermächtigung zur Visumerteilung attached. Delhi will confirm your paperwork is good and will direct you to go to VFS. Make sure that Delhi also confirms you have paid the visa fee otherwise VFS can ask you to pay again! Print out this email.

2.The Swiss Embassy no longer issues the visa directly, you must go through VFS.

3.Make an appointment at the VFS office closest to you. The fee is 1500 rupees. Yes, in addition to what you have already paid.

4.Go to the appointment with your passport, the Ermächtigung, the email from the embassy and photographs, VFS will tell you the size and will also inform you what you need to bring.

5.In our case, the VFS office had no idea what this kind of visa is and were very confused. Ask to speak to the manager if you get the deer in the headlights look.

6.VFS will take your passport and issue you a receipt and send you away.

7.VFS does have a tracking system so you can follow your passport's progress.

8.We were lucky and my partner's visa was issued within 48 hours. Go back to the VFS office and pick up your passport.

This is for Delhi. In other parts of the country you must reckon with courier timings and other delays as all passports are sent to Delhi regardless of the location of the VFS office.

You should not book a ticket until you have your visa as no one can say for sure how long it will take to get your passport back.

DO NOT pay the visa fee again. You only have to pay the VFS charge. The embassy shall confirm you have paid the visa fee already.

The premium services offered by VFS are scams. You won't get anything done any faster as the system is the same.

So I hope this helps.
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We got married on the 27th of February at the Standesamt in Bern. There is relatively new process since 2019 called "wedding light" as the receptionist called it. Basically, you can opt to avoid the 10 day waiting time between the Ehevorbereitungsgespräch and the wedding day by telling them at the amt you want to get married at the same time as the mandatory talk. You have to bring 2 witnesses - one of them must be fluent in your partner's mother tongue if they are not fluent in German. Other wise you need to have a translator. You are not allowed to bring any guests and the ceremony takes place in a office instead of in a ceremony room.
First is the mandatory chat about marriage law. The translator has to be there for that. The official also confirms personal details. Once that's done you leave the room for 15 minutes for what ever reason and then come back in with both witnesses and the marriage is performed. No bells and whistles and our official said she had never performed one of these before so it was rather awkward. She forgot to ask if we had rings but she did read out a nice poem to make up for the lack of frills.
It's a good option if you don't want a fuss. Costs are then paid directly after the ceremony. I don't know if this is available all over Switzerland but it is in Bern.
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Regarding the procedure on the Indian side - it is more or less the same as the original poster stated, my partner lives in Goa so the lawyer came out to Goa to meet with him and we did the whole process through the Swiss Embassy in Mumbai.

A time line:
My partner started putting together his documents at the beginning of 2019 and in June he was invited to the Swiss Embassy in Mumbai for a short interview, when he also paid the fee and gave in his documents for inspection, the lawyer came to visit in September, I was notified by the Swiss Authorities in Switzerland in November and I received the Ermächtigung on the 18th of December, so it took pretty much a full 6 months.


My partner and I have more or less completed the process now for his visa and I received the Ermächtigung zur Visumerteilung yesterday in the post from the Migration department.
The Swiss Embassy in Mumbai told him to send them a scan of it by email and they will then inform him of the further steps. But basically as I understand it now, we have managed to get over the worst of it.

Just a quick update:

The questions I received from the Migrations department to answer were of a more general nature - so it seems there is not one set of questions they ask everyone. I was asked to
explain how it is that we speak in English together and where did he learn to speak English - a bizarre question since we both grew up bilingual in an international enviornment, how can you prove it? I explained just that.

How often I have been to India to visit him with proof - visas, airline tickets, hotel bookings with both our names on them and detailing the places we visited.

I was also asked if he is planning to work in Switzerland.

We were asked if we have a date in mind for marriage and why this date. Did we both decide to get married and what were the circumstances
If he has any relatives in the Schengen area or in Switzerland and if he himself has ever been to Switzerland or lived in a Schengen country.

If he has ever been married "traditionally" as opposed to conventionally.

They also wanted photographs of us.
We have known each other since high school and have been together for nearly 6 years, I explained to the authorities that we are not of the selfie generation and I can provide 1 picture with both of us on it and others which we took of each other.

How do we communicate when we are apart? For this, I sent a screen shot of our call log on the Telegram app, showing how often we speak on the phone.

Documents:

A copy of my lease stating how many people live in my flat
Proof of my travel to India
The confirmation from the Zivilstandeskreis
My divorce papers as I had been married before
Confirmation from the social department that I not depending on benefits
Finacial guarantee, signed by me and by my partner. You can send a scan to your partner, he sends it back. I put the copy he sent me with both of our signatures on it plus the original with only my signature on it.

I also added my work contract - it is not stipulated in the financial guarantee that you have to send proof, it seems that most people send 3 months worths of payment slips, I decided to just send them my contract which states my salary. Contrary to popular opinion, the guarantee does not mean you have to prove you have 30'000 in the bank. It basically says that if anything happens - medical emergency etc..you declare yourself liable.

In the letter I explained how long we know each other and how our relationship developed.

Now we are just waiting to hear from the embassy in Mumbai to go further.
Hi Starbug, I'm in the same boat. I would like to know two things

1.Did they convey anything like verification of documents prior sending to swiss [which is little faster process] while submitting in mumbai embassy. Coz in my case they told that they send document to swiss only after verification in India.

I'm little shocked about your 6 months waiting time. i had perception like it will take only 3 months

2. Did you send hard copy of immigration visa approved letter[from zivilstandamt] to your fiance in india
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