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Living in France & getting a B permit [Geneva]

Do the Swiss authorities actually check residences for people who acquire a B permit? If so is there some quantitative measure on how often this happens? Is it just for residences of non-EU citizens? Is it just for apartments and not houses? etc.
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Re: Living in France & getting a B permit [Geneva]

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Do the Swiss authorities actually check residences for people who acquire a B permit? If so is there some quantitative measure on how often this happens? Is it just for residences of non-EU citizens? Is it just for apartments and not houses? etc.


Hopefully someone will give you more specific information, but I was under the impression that you could NOT have a B permit if you are not a resident in CH. Instead you have a transfrontalier permit.
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Re: Living in France & getting a B permit [Geneva]

I don't really understand what you're asking, but as taveau says, if you're not resident in Switzerland you won't/shouldn't have a B permit regardless of whether you're an EU national or non-EU and no matter what type of property you live in. If you don't live in Switzerland then you don't meet the requirement to have B permit, period. If you live across the border in France then you should have a G permit (cross border).

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/aufenthalt/eu_efta/ausweis_g_eu_efta.html

Note that you have to have lived in a "border zone" for a certain period of time (anywhere between 6 months and a year depending on the border requirements) before you'd qualify for a G permit. It would also have an effect on things like taxes, health insurance, etc.

If you're a non-EU national you would not only need permission from the Swiss authorities to change a B permit to a G, but also permission from the French authorities to be allowed to live in France so unless you already live there and are taking up a position in Switzerland it's very unlikely you'd get a G permit as you wouldn't meet the zone's residency requirements.
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Re: Living in France & getting a B permit [Geneva]

Thanks for the responses.

To elaborate a little more: from what I gather you need to have a residence for a B permit. So what happens if you move to a border town after you get your B permit? (lets say you were staying at a friend's house instead of an apartment whereby the current occupancy would hard to verify without a physical check). Lets assume living in France is not an issue for this discussion.

I.e. would there be checks? Purely hypothetical of course. Also, can you convert a B permit to a fronatlier permit?
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Re: Living in France & getting a B permit [Geneva]

It is possible for an EU national to convert a B to a G permit, not so easy for a non-EU to do so.

As for actual checks, probably not, but you'd have to either forward your mail on to the place in France or make regular pickups. Neighbours could well be nosy and report your absence to the commune if you're still supposed to be living there (yes it has happened). And more importantly your Swiss insurance wouldn't cover you.

Most important of all, your B permit would no longer be valid so technically you would be working illegally in Switzerland.
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Re: Living in France & getting a B permit [Geneva]

In addition to issues already raised, you'd be more risk from the French authorities than the Swiss, given that you would presumably be crossing the border in a Swiss-registered car each day, which the French Douanes would view as having been imported illegally. Don't even think about driving a French-registered car, unless you're moving from France to get the B permit in the first instance, when you could get away with it for 12 months.

If you're not driving then the chances of having problems are vastly reduced, but you must be aware that what you're doing, whilst not uncommon, is in no way legal in either country
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Re: Living in France & getting a B permit [Geneva]

Thanks for the information everyone. I appreciate it. It's just rather hard to find something decent and affordable in Switzerland (which is the only reason I am considering this).

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It is possible for an EU national to convert a B to a G permit, not so easy for a non-EU to do so.
This would be an ideal situation. Do you know if a spouse an an EU citizen would be eligible for this as well?
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Re: Living in France & getting a B permit [Geneva]

If she has a job in Switzerland yes. No idea what the situation is if she doesn't. I would assume no though as she would be resident in France so no need for a permit for Switzerland. Check with Geneva migration office for a definitive answer.
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