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Disability Insurance payments(IV)

Does anyone know whether it's possible to get Disability Insurance payments
when you have left Switzerland to a non-eu country?
So the disability payments(Rente) have been approved while still resident in Switzerland.Would you still be eligible to receive these payments when resident in a non-eu country after moving there?
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

Here's some information (in German) about receiving a Swiss disability Pension once having moved one's domicile outside of Switzerlad:

http://www.zas.admin.ch/org/00858/00...x.html?lang=de

http://www.zas.admin.ch/org/00858/00...x.html?lang=de
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

So it looks like I don't qualify for disability pension payments while not resident in Switzerland.
Not good news as my B-Permit extension was rejected even though I am currently disabled and in the final stages of claiming a disability pension from my previous employer's pension fund via SVA(IV).
They have given me 2 months to leave Switzerland.It looks like there is lots of pressure to reduce the number of immigrants in Switzerland as this was mentioned in the long rejection letter they sent me via registered post.
I can appeal this decision again within 30 days.The previous appeal was rejected.
It seems a bit nasty to kick disabled persons who have a right to the disability pension out of the country before the claim is finalized?
Anyone with experience of this?
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

You might find legal help at one of the following organisations:

http://www.proinfirmis.ch/de/home.html (this is a foundation for the rights of disabled people of all kinds, and they provide free first consultations and advice).

If your disability is due (at least in part) to psychological reasons, you might find help at
https://www.promentesana.ch/de/startseite.html (the same sort of organisation, for mental health).

Then there is www.agile.ch, an umbrella organisation holding many other disability Groups. See their list of member organisations here http://www.agile.ch/mitglieder.

http://www.procap.ch/Rechtsberatung.87.0.html is another "rights for the disabled" organisation, and they provide legal advice.

Take courage! Your situation is not settled, for certain, until you have gathered all the information you need.
Do not be discouraged if you cannot speak sufficient German. My advice is to phone all of those places and do your best in German, and if you need it, ask to be allowed to speak to someone who can understand English. If they do not have anyone there, then ask them if they can advise you how to get an interpreter (Dolmetscher)... "Haben Sie Dolmetscher, bitte?" and "Bitte, wo kann ich einen Dolmetscher finden?". It could be that one organisation is prepare to provide you with legal advice, and another be prepared to help you find - or even supply - an interpreter for this purpose.
I hope you can find the energy: you owe it to yourself to find out.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

This organisation works towards integration of immigrants... perhaps they could give you advice about finding a suitable interpreter:

http://www.ecap-fondazione.ch/joomla...erich-de#down6
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

Here, about half-way down the page, you will find the city's address list of advice centres for immigrants, some of which might also be able to help you find an interpreter in a hurry.


I think that's the point: you are in a hurry, and cannot afford to let a day go by without finding out how those two worlds (Disability Pension and Permits) go together. Remember that Monday 25th May is Pentecost, a public holiday in Zurich.

https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/sd/de/i...enundmigranten
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

Gegen diese Verfügung kann innert 30 Tagen, von der Mitteilung an gerechnet, bei der Sicherheitsdirektion
des Kantons Zürich, Rekursabteilung, Postfach, 8090 Zürich, Rekurs eingereicht
werden. Die Rekursschrift muss in deutscher Sprache abgefasst sein und einen
begründeten Antrag enthalten; sie ist in einfacher Ausfertigung einzureichen. Verfügung und
Beweismittel sind beizulegen oder genau zu bezeichnen. Das Rekursverfahren ist kostenpflichtig;
die Kosten hat die unterliegende Partei zu tragen.


Any ideas as to what this second appeal would cost ?They mention that I can appeal again within 30 days but the costs will be born by the loser.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

Just clarifying: are you referring to an appeal (Rekurs) against the fact that your B-Permit was not extended? If so, I'd suggest you open a new thread only about the B-Permit and appealing againt those procedings... since they are, as you know, under a completely different authority than the disability pension procedings.
Someone may be able to give you advice about non-renewal, who might not look at this post, here, with this thread-title about disability.
Oh, it looks like you have to find both out, separately. I hope that you can spend time phoning around tomorrow, to some of the places linked above. Hope you can get some sleep!
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

http://www.sah-zh.ch/angebote/mirsah/


City Zurich social department recommended this.They specialize in immigration issues.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

Here is another helpline. This one offers legal advice by telephone and also, if the need is demonstrated, free lawyers to disabled people needing to defend their rights, also against the SVA.

Integration Hadicap
Beratertelefon Rechtsdienst
044 201 58 28
Bürglistr. 11
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

http://www.proinfirmis.ch/de/subseit...iv.html#c12057

Pension rights of foreigners
The legal rights of living in Switzerland foreigners depend on which group they belong:
EU and EFTA nationals :
Based on the free movement agreements are treated the same as Swiss citizens EU and EFTA nationals. With respect to the requirement of a minimum contribution period of 3 years for an ordinary pension acquired in an EU or EFTA state contribution periods are taken into account. However, at least 1 year of contributions in Switzerland must have been paid.
In a return to the country, pensions are still paid.
Citizens of countries that have concluded with Switzerland a social security agreement :
In most Agreement provides that nationals of States Parties under the same conditions entitled to an ordinary pension have as a Swiss citizen. Unlike the people of EU and EFTA States contributions in another country will not count towards the fulfillment of the minimum contribution period.
There is no entitlement to an extraordinary pension, however, is not provided in all social security agreements. If it is provided, the claim often arises only after the person has stopped continuously in Switzerland for 5 years.
In a return to the country only pensions from a degree of disability of 50% will continue to be paid.
Citizens of states that do not have a social security agreement with Switzerland:
Nationals of non-Contracting States under the same conditions entitled to an ordinary pension as a Swiss citizen. As a rule, however, is no entitlement to an extraordinary pension. The payment of pension is linked to the place of residence and residence in Switzerland. Anyone who returns to the home country, does not receive more pension paid. For residing abroad Children No pensions are paid.
Recognised refugees and stateless persons :
They too have under the same conditions entitled to an ordinary pension as a Swiss citizen.
entitled to an extraordinary pension is also under the same conditions as apply to Swiss citizens. However, the claim is possible only when the person has a continuous period of over 5 years in Switzerland.
The payment of the pension is also here at the residence and residence in Switzerland tied and children's pensions are only paid if the children reside and stay have in Switzerland.

Example: Mr. M, a Portuguese national, has lived and worked since 2008 in Switzerland. In March 2014 he has MS and receives from March 2015 quarter pension awarded. His family lives in Portugal and Mr M therefore returns to his home country. Since he is EU-citizen, he will receive the quarter pension even after Portugal paid.
Had Mr. M national of a country with which Switzerland has concluded a social security agreement, would the quarter pension will not be paid to his homeland to him, because his degree of invalidity would have at least 50% be. Had he a national of a non-Contracting State, he could not even export a half pension.
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Swiss Nazi Immigration

Thus far I have discovered that none of the disability and social organisations in Switzerland can help with immigration law issues.
So I always get referred back to MIRSA who is in turn referring me to an attorney at 250 chf per hour.
According to the attorney all the power now sits with immigration and they can eject you from the country without honoring any unemployment or disability benefits that you may qualify for.
So any unemployment or disability benefits are not automatic anymore.You can end up with huge legal fees fighting immigration to extend your permit so that you can claim unemployment or disability benefits.
So I prepare my final appeal to extend my unrestricted non-eu B-permit so that my disability claim with SVA can be completed.
If I lose I have to pay 2000 chf. If immigration loses they pay nothing.
This whole thing looks like another money making racket.Kick the foreigner
out of the country and if he objects rob him and kick him out anyway.
I suggest all foreigners take this into account before moving to Suisse.
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Re: Swiss Nazi Immigration

There are 2 sides of each story. You are only giving one.
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There are 2 sides of each story. You are only giving one.
So give us your side of the story Einstein. Don't hold back now.
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So give us your side of the story Einstein. Don't hold back now.
I think you've taken the wrong pills this morning. It's you who is coming with YOUR story. But you are holding back the original cause of the outcome.
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So give us your side of the story Einstein. Don't hold back now.
How on earth can he as this is between you and the other part
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Re: Swiss Nazi Immigration

More details of his side of the story is here: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

It's often struck me that the the "we don't know the other side of the story" argument is usually irrelevant. It's not like the other party posts here and so we have a duty to be fair and even handed.
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I merged the threads so now it may make a little more sense... or not, as the case may be.

@OP: We still don't know why you're in this situation, or why you think the decisions so far are indicative of a "Nazi" attitude.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

I assume you've provided all the documentation to SVA that they need. So why do you need to have your permit extended? If the claim is valid and it can be paid outside of Switzerland surely you just need to provide them with your bank details in your home country or wherever you plan to move to.
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I assume you've provided all the documentation to SVA that they need. So why do you need to have your permit extended? If the claim is valid and it can be paid outside of Switzerland surely you just need to provide them with your bank details in your home country or wherever you plan to move to.
If you look at my previous posts you'll see that it's not payable outside Suisse.
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