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Sovid 25.09.2015 18:55

Permit for my parent
 
Hello!

I'm a mobile developer, and currently thinking about moving as a "skilled worker" to Switzerland(specifically Zurich).
I was wondering if it's somehow possible for my parent to move with me as well?
At least after a certain period of time perhaps? (I'll be the parent's sponsor of course).

I tried to find some definite answers on the web but to no avail ,unfortunately.
I would really appreciate any piece of advice on the matter.

Thanks!
Best Regards.

Guest 25.09.2015 19:28

Re: Permit for my parent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovid (Post 2455852)
Hello!

I'm a mobile developer, and currently thinking about moving as a "skilled worker" to Switzerland(specifically Zurich).
I was wondering if it's somehow possible for my parent to move with me as well?
At least after a certain period of time perhaps? (I'll be the parent's sponsor of course).

I tried to find some definite answers on the web but to no avail ,unfortunately.
I would really appreciate any piece of advice on the matter.

Thanks!
Best Regards.

If you have a lot of money, yes (read shit load, about Chf 500k absolute min)

Sovid 25.09.2015 19:32

Re: Permit for my parent
 
There aren't any Parent Reunification visas ?
And what do you mean by that ? I would have to make a donation to the state ?

Mullhollander 25.09.2015 19:40

Re: Permit for my parent
 
Assuming that you are a non-EU citizen (Russian/ Israeli) and that you were working and living in Switzerland on a B permit, the answer is you can only bring your spouse and children under 18:

Personen mit Aufenthaltsbewilligung (B) Auslšndischen Ehegatten und ledigen Kindern unter 18 Jahren von Personen mit Aufenthaltsbewilligung kann eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung erteilt werden, wenn:
  • sie mit diesen zusammenwohnen;
  • eine bedarfsgerechte Wohnung vorhanden ist; und
  • sie nicht auf Sozialhilfe angewiesen sind.
http://www.aufenthaltsbewilligung-ar...amiliennachzug

Mullhollander 25.09.2015 19:43

Re: Permit for my parent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovid (Post 2455875)
There aren't any Parent Reunification visas ?
And what do you mean by that ? I would have to make a donation to the state ?

There are generally three ways to obtain a B permit for a non-EU citizen:
1) A company in Switzerland hires you because of your special skills.
2) A multi-national company transfers you to its Swiss company under a management transfer program (Kadertransfer).
3) You earn at least CHF 500'000 per year. See this link:
http://www.swiss-banking-lawyers.com...idence-permit/

Sovid 25.09.2015 19:52

Re: Permit for my parent
 
So basically , my options to bring my parent are :
1. Get permit C , which means living 10 years in Switzerland , and then I'd be allowed to ask the Canton for a family reunification for a parent and not just kids or spouse.
2. Earn 500k per year .

In other words, it's impossible for my parent to move to Switzerland. That's really disappointing..


Thank you for the help.

Mullhollander 25.09.2015 19:57

Re: Permit for my parent
 
As a non-EU citizen, your summary above is unfortunately mostly accurate, imo. However, I'm not aware that a B permit, granted by earning CHF 500'000, would allow you to bring a parent.

If you have Swiss/ EU/ EFTA citizenship or Swiss C permit, it is quite possible to bring your parents, irrespective of their nationality:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/dam/data/bf...nnachzug-e.pdf

Please note that this is a general-purpose message board. You could also consult with an immigration attorney regarding your questions.

Sovid 25.09.2015 20:02

Re: Permit for my parent
 
What if the parent has an EU citizenship but I don't ? And I stay in Switzerland as a skilled worker which means permit B?

Mullhollander 25.09.2015 20:06

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If your EU citizen parent is not planning to work:

"EU/EFTA nationals Persons who are not gainfully employed (e.g. retirees and students) may remain in Switzerland if the following conditions are met:
  • They have adequate financial resources to cover the cost of living in Switzerland so as to ensure that they will not become dependent on welfare benefits, and
  • They have a health insurance policy that also includes accident coverage."
https://www.ch.ch/en/retirement-or-study-switzerland/

Sovid 25.09.2015 20:09

Re: Permit for my parent
 
Oh so I can be the parent's sponsor and cover all her health insurance policies and then she would get a permit B ?
That's interesting and Very helpful ,thank you !

3Wishes 25.09.2015 21:53

Re: Permit for my parent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovid (Post 2455890)
Oh so I can be the parent's sponsor and cover all her health insurance policies and then she would get a permit B ?
That's interesting and Very helpful ,thank you !

I think you may be over-simplifying. The parent would be applying for his or her own permit under EU agreements, and would need to prove that he/she has sufficient funds to cover all expenses and not rely on the state.

I'm not sure whether the authorities would count your income as your parent's, particularly if you're on a short-term residence permit (L or B). If you lose your job you're not eligible to stay here and then what income proof does the parent have?

If your parent is EU, is there any possibility of you obtaining an EU citizenship through him/her? It would make your permit much simpler to obtain once you have a job offer. :)

We've seen many members interested in bringing over a parent. Beyond the financial aspect, does your parent speak the language of the region where he/she would be living? What about friends? What about communicating with healthcare professionals and government officials?

It may sound great that you'd be here as well to help out, but don't underestimate how hard it could be for a parent to pick up and move to another country if they don't have any connection other than you. ;)

Sovid 25.09.2015 22:22

Re: Permit for my parent
 
How much time am I given to find a new job if I lose a job ?

Regarding the parent, I was thinking ,providing that moving there is doable , and once I settle down, to open a small business(salon, coffee shop,...) for the parent.
I'm not sure though if that would be enough to convince the state to give the residence permit. As a matter of fact, most chances that it won't, I realize that.

Language indeed could be a barrier as well.
Which language should the parent start learning if we get to that phase ?
As far as I understand all Cantons have different variants of Swiss German (though I am aiming towards Zurich anyway) .
However, would it be enough to speak English to get along well in Zurich? or is German or even Swiss German a 'must' ?

I realize this won't be easy. On the other hand, the situation is that if the parent can't move - then I can't.

As for gaining EU citizenship for myself , unfortunately it's not so much a viable option. The only way for me to get to any EU country would be only via 'Skilled Worker' visa.

FunnyBone 25.09.2015 22:29

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If your parent is a voluble and jovial sort of person - my stereotype for Israeli people;) as all of my Israeli friends and acquaintances are that way:), then he or she will hate it here. Why do that to an old person? As a people, they are resilient in general, and will make the best of it, but most likely he/she will not stop from telling you how much they dislike being here, loud and clear, too.:D

Sovid 25.09.2015 22:40

Re: Permit for my parent
 
haha she's actually got the Russian mind set more.
And why are you saying that? is there really that "cold" feeling in Switzerland?

In any case, she doesn't like it in Israel, and frankly I don't much either. Tough there are the positive sides, like the people, all are very friendly and always willing to help.
Coming back to Russia is not really an option, it really hasn't changed that much since the Soviet times in its 'core'. Also, engineers/programmers make very little money there.
We mostly are just looking for some nice calm place, where it's peaceful, and you can live decently, and would be a safe place to start a family for me.

Island Monkey 25.09.2015 22:45

Re: Permit for my parent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovid (Post 2455959)
We mostly are just looking for some nice calm place, where it's peaceful, and you can live decently, and would be a safe place to start a family for me.

if I understand correctly, your mother? has EU citizenship? Then a better idea may be to move to an EU country where she has freedom of movement. Maybe you could get work in London?

Sovid 25.09.2015 22:54

Re: Permit for my parent
 
She currently doesn't have a EU citizenship. However, she probably meets the requirements to gain Polish citizenship(we're waiting for an answer from the embassy).
Regarding job, yes, I could , and I think it would even pay better. But London is a huge city , with everything that comes with that definition - crime level etc.

I've actually started to think about Switzerland cause I've read a few articles about Switzerland in need of 'skilled workers'.
Then I got to talk to a few people , and all had mostly good things to say about Switzerland.

But right now after reading all the replies I'm not sure it's really doable.(Unless I'd want to move there alone).

st2lemans 25.09.2015 23:38

Re: Permit for my parent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovid (Post 2455885)
What if the parent has an EU citizenship but I don't ? And I stay in Switzerland as a skilled worker which means permit B?

You will need an employer first of all. ;)

You can't just come here and look for a job if not EU. :rolleyes:

Tom

Sovid 25.09.2015 23:39

Re: Permit for my parent
 
yes of course
goes without saying :)

Mullhollander 26.09.2015 09:11

Re: Permit for my parent
 
To the extent that you are considered highly skilled, a number of EU countries offer work permits to non-EU citizens. It's called a blue card in Germany, a red-white-red card in Austria, etc.

Also, Germany allows Israelis and several other nationalities to move there without a job and then register within 90 days. As I understand it, citizens of these several developed countries do not need to obtain highly skilled jobs and can even become self-employed to be able to live and work in Germany. You would have to investigate whether a parent could be brought along:

http://www.toytowngermany.com/wiki/A...e_arrived_here

As you may know, there are an estimated 4.5 million Russian-Germans in Germany.

NotAllThere 26.09.2015 10:10

Re: Permit for my parent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovid (Post 2455963)
... But London is a huge city , with everything that comes with that definition - crime level etc...

The UK is more than London, and there's plenty of work outside of it.


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