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FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 18:37

Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
Can person get a permit if they take him for Kita oder Spielgruppe Praktikum and pay him 3500 per month?

Ace1 18.10.2015 19:44

Re: Kita Praktikum
 
While it's just possible that someone might be able to understand you, might I suggest you have another go at writing it in more correct English?:cool:

FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 19:55

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I wanted to ask if person can get a permit if someone takes him to do internship in kindergraten and pays him 3500 per month? Or for permit you can only a have regular job?

Ace1 18.10.2015 20:05

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Belgianmum 18.10.2015 20:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankSinatra (Post 2469026)
I wanted to ask if person can get a permit if someone takes him to do internship in kindergraten and pays him 3500 per month? Or for permit you can only a have regular job?

It would depend on your nationality for starters but I'm not sure that a kindergarten internship position would be enough to obtain a residence permit.

FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 21:01

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 2469049)
It would depend on your nationality for starters but I'm not sure that a kindergarten internship position would be enough to obtain a residence permit.

Nationality is Italian

FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 21:17

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
Well Internship is also a job. You also get salary like everywhere. And you develop later as you want.

swisspea 18.10.2015 21:21

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
A practicum is supposed to be a position for an untrained staff member, with an end-date (usually maximum 12 months) and the possibility of doing further training afterwards.

'interns' are paid around 1000-2000 per month. It is a training wage, not a living wage.

The only reason (in my book) that a childcare centre would pay 3500 for a 'trainee' is because the person is being used as a 'qualified' staff member but does not have the right qualifications, or they are a mature adult...it's a minimum adult wage, not a 'training' wage.

I do not know whether the local authorities will check the salary before approving a residence permit for EU, but for Non-EU I know someone who was knocked back for a qualified position for less than 4500 per month... The employer was told that 4500 was the bare minimum...

It also depends whether the 3500'is before taxes/deductions, and also whether it is 13 or 12 months...

FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 21:27

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
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Originally Posted by swisspea (Post 2469118)
A practicum is supposed to be a position for an untrained staff member, with an end-date (usually maximum 12 months) and the possibility of doing further training afterwards.

'interns' are paid around 1000-2000 per month. It is a training wage, not a living wage.

The only reason (in my book) that a childcare centre would pay 3500 for a 'trainee' is because the person is being used as a 'qualified' staff member but does not have the right qualifications, or they are a mature adult...it's a minimum adult wage, not a 'training' wage.

I do not know whether the local authorities will check the salary before approving a residence permit for EU, but for Non-EU I know someone who was knocked back for a qualified position for less than 4500 per month... The employer was told that 4500 was the bare minimum...

It also depends whether the 3500'is before taxes/deductions, and also whether it is 13 or 12 months...

Im asking for Practicum, i didnt know how to say it on english. But friend of mine was offered to do practicum in Spielgruppe, and they told her salary will be 3500 so i just wanted to ask if someone knows if she could get a permit based on that.

FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 21:28

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
And the person is 22 years old

swisspea 18.10.2015 21:29

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
For how long?

FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 21:30

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
They didnt say for how long.

swisspea 18.10.2015 21:31

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
And how many hours per week...playgroups are not usually 40+ hours per week,

FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 21:32

They told her that they look for someone for spielgruppe we only asumed that would be practicum because she has no diploma for that. But she haves skills with children.

Normaly every day for 8 hours.

That spielgruppe works every day for 8 hours. 2 groups, morning and afternoon

MarKanLu 18.10.2015 21:49

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
A friend of mine recently started working at a large confiserie here in Luzern (the one where everything is coloured bright pink, for the locals). Her salary is 3400 / month (full-time, 43 hours per week) and she got her permit-B without problems (Greek passport). This is a normal job (nothing to do with Praktikum).

FrankSinatra 18.10.2015 21:52

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
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Originally Posted by MarKanLu (Post 2469143)
A friend of mine recently started working at a large confiserie here in Luzern (the one where everything is coloured bright pink, for the locals). Her salary is 3400 / month (full-time, 43 hours per week) and she got her permit-B without problems (Greek passport). This is a normal job (nothing to do with Praktikum).

Hey thank you very much! You gave us so much confident!

Mullhollander 18.10.2015 22:02

Re: Kita Praktikum [Swiss permit for kindergarten internship ]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swisspea (Post 2469118)
I do not know whether the local authorities will check the salary before approving a residence permit for EU, but for Non-EU I know someone who was knocked back for a qualified position for less than 4500 per month... The employer was told that 4500 was the bare minimum...

This is to add to your comment on hiring non-EU employees (who are, in this case, considered "highly qualified") and not to contradict what you've written. According to this Vischer law firm document, it is expected that non-EU employees have a master's degree, professional experience and earn at least about CHF 100'000 (CHF 8'333 per month) to obtain a work permit under the "highly qualified" category. See pdf pp. 11-12:

https://www.vischer.com/fileadmin/us...tzerland_2.pdf


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