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jttraveller 28.11.2015 16:36

Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permit?
 
Hi all I may go into unemployment soon as I could not find a job after my masters degree. I have worked in CH before so I am qualified for unemployment benefit. I am considering whether I should ask for unemployment benefit, fearing that it might affect my chance of getting my B-permit renewal in the future (or even upgrade to C permit). Having said that, having some financial support is always helpful as I am not sure when I could find a new job (but I remain positive).

Any thoughts?

porsch1909 28.11.2015 16:44

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
I think this depends on the canton. In Neuchatel I was upgraded to a C permit while on RAV and was quite surprised.

Medea Fleecestealer 28.11.2015 17:21

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Are you sure you'll get anything? RAV payments are based on what you earned in the last 6-12 months so if you've been a student then it's likely to be very little or even nothing if you didn't work part time.

jttraveller 28.11.2015 17:40

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2494844)
Are you sure you'll get anything? RAV payments are based on what you earned in the last 6-12 months so if you've been a student then it's likely to be very little or even nothing if you didn't work part time.

I thought as long as you worked for minimum 12 months within the last 2 years? Then I think I fulfiled this criteria...

Medea Fleecestealer 28.11.2015 17:55

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Yes, but if you haven't worked for 6 months and they base your payments on your last 6 months' salary figure then 6 months of zero is zero!

ftg888 28.11.2015 20:27

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
In Canton Fribourg, claiming ANY Social Benefits, even though you are
entitled to them will result in your expulsion after the expiry of your B.
Or If Applying for a C a denial.. They are getting tough in some places.
Best Luck

roegner 28.11.2015 21:57

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ftg888 (Post 2494920)
In Canton Fribourg, claiming ANY Social Benefits, even though you are
entitled to them will result in your expulsion after the expiry of your B.
Or If Applying for a C a denial.. They are getting tough in some places.
Best Luck

Social benefits is NOT Rav.....!

st2lemans 28.11.2015 22:08

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2494861)
Yes, but if you haven't worked for 6 months and they base your payments on your last 6 months' salary figure then 6 months of zero is zero!

In that case, you can use the last 12 months. :rolleyes:

Tom

vydriduch 28.11.2015 23:42

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jttraveller (Post 2494824)
Hi all I may go into unemployment soon as I could not find a job after my masters degree. I have worked in CH before so I am qualified for unemployment benefit. I am considering whether I should ask for unemployment benefit, fearing that it might affect my chance of getting my B-permit renewal in the future (or even upgrade to C permit).

It might indeed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jttraveller (Post 2494824)
Any thoughts?

If you have a job at the time the decision on your permit is made, you should be fine. I had been on RAV benefits for a couple of months, then successfully applied for an early C permit once I got a permanent job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2494844)
Are you sure you'll get anything? RAV payments are based on what you earned in the last 6-12 months so if you've been a student then it's likely to be very little or even nothing if you didn't work part time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2494861)
Yes, but if you haven't worked for 6 months and they base your payments on your last 6 months' salary figure then 6 months of zero is zero!

It is actually the last six (of twelve) months of employment (within the 2 years prior to application) that count. Not the six (or twelve) months preceding the application itself.

I had a gap of 12 months (of voluntary unemployment) between my last job and a successful application for RAV benefits.

st2lemans 29.11.2015 00:10

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
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Originally Posted by vydriduch (Post 2494984)
It is actually the last six (of twelve) months of employment (within the 2 years prior to application) that count. Not the six (or twelve) months preceding the application itself.

Wrong.

If the last twelve months gives you a higher average, then that is what is used. :rolleyes:

Get your facts straight, please. ;)

Tom

Aeneas 29.11.2015 08:11

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2494946)
Social benefits is NOT Rav.....!

This is an important point as in many (European) countries unemployment insurance and social welfare are the same thing or at least managed under the same system. Not so in Switzerland.

Signing up to the RAV (and receiving Arbeitslosengeld) is something you have to pay into for a minimum of 12 months, after which you get to potentially draw a finite amount of money in return. It's not considered a big deal by most Swiss, who will have had to go on this at some stage in their lives.

Sozialhilfe
is something that's actually quite hard to qualify for, as you really have to be close to broke before they'll give you a rappen and is seen as something, by Swiss, that you'd need to be pretty low on the food chain to get. It's also open ended, in that you can, and some do, receive it for decades and does not require you pay into the system.

When I went for my C permit, I wasn't asked anything about any of the insurances, but was asked to get a letter from the Sozialhilfe stating I'd received nothing from them in the previous two years. So, at least in canton Zurich, having received unemployment insurance should make no difference to your application for a B renewal or a C.

Medea Fleecestealer 29.11.2015 09:32

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2494948)
In that case, you can use the last 12 months. :rolleyes:

Tom

And, as he's been doing a Masters degree for I assume the last 2 years, then he'll stlll have zero income to calculate any RAV payments from - that's the point I'm trying to make to the OP. Or very little if he has been working part time as a student. He may qualify for unemployment, but I'm not sure he'd be paid enough to continue living here is what I'm getting at.

vydriduch 29.11.2015 15:12

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2494995)
Wrong.

If the last twelve months gives you a higher average, then that is what is used. :rolleyes:

Get your facts straight, please. ;)

Tom

You are right. I did mean to write six or twelve. Thank you very much for spotting the typo and pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by vydriduch (Post 2494984)
last six (of twelve) months

What matters is that in order to determine the insured salary, one counts backwards from the end of employment, not from the moment of application. More precisely, the most recent six (or twelve) months of employment within the two years preceding the application are considered.

In other words, gaps between jobs have (almost) no negative effect on the insured salary if one has contributed long enough overall.

jttraveller 29.11.2015 16:09

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2495050)
And, as he's been doing a Masters degree for I assume the last 2 years, then he'll stlll have zero income to calculate any RAV payments from - that's the point I'm trying to make to the OP. Or very little if he has been working part time as a student. He may qualify for unemployment, but I'm not sure he'd be paid enough to continue living here is what I'm getting at.

I worked for a couple of years in Switzerland before taking one year off to study Masters in Switzerland with no income during the year. So I assume I am qualified? Now is the end of the study year...

Medea Fleecestealer 29.11.2015 16:16

Re: Would claiming unemployment benefit affect B permit renewal or upgrade to C permi
 
Yes, if it's only been a one year course then you should be able to claim as you have worked within the last 2 years.


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