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Get RAV on B permit & reason for leaving?

Hi
First question is that I voluntarily elected to keep a B permit when i could have transferred to a C permit a few years ago (hate paying tax in arrears - stupid mistake!) and now my B permit finishes in 2018. EU resident.

Firstly, can i claim the RAV on a B permit as an eu resident. Have paid a lot of tax etc for last 8 years since been here.

Secondly, I will leave my company with a 'mutual agreement' i.e. we both agree to terminate the contract. My job has disappeared and the alternative was not equivalent. Can i claim the RAV?

Lastl, what is the maximum amount the RAV will pay?

Feel free to point me to other similar threads. i started to get lost looking ...

thanks again,
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Old 13.01.2016, 19:34
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Re: Get RAV on B permit & reason for leaving?

Just depends. B permit is not a problem initially- but if you don't get a job it won't be renewed, I believe. When you are on RAV, you have to belooking for jobs all the time, and accept a job even if not your perfect idea of a job, and even if the salary is lower. The firm offered you a job- which you turned down- so.

You may get lucky, but will probably have penalties- or they could turn you down as you made yourself un-employed.

I posted some time ago about someone in the same position who was refused un-employment benefits and went to appeal, and lost again. Just depends... as said. Sbrinz very recently posted about the cap for benefits as the figures have changed recently.
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Hi
First question is that I voluntarily elected to keep a B permit when i could have transferred to a C permit a few years ago (hate paying tax in arrears - stupid mistake!) and now my B permit finishes in 2018. EU resident.

Firstly, can i claim the RAV on a B permit as an eu resident. Have paid a lot of tax etc for last 8 years since been here.

Secondly, I will leave my company with a 'mutual agreement' i.e. we both agree to terminate the contract. My job has disappeared and the alternative was not equivalent. Can i claim the RAV?

Lastl, what is the maximum amount the RAV will pay?

Feel free to point me to other similar threads. i started to get lost looking ...

thanks again,
Yes

Leaving my mutual agreement will cost you, you need to be sacked.

400 working days (age dependant but educated guess)
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Quitting your job and RAV
Lately I've heard many a time of people, both Swiss and foreigners working here- saying that they've had enough and want to give up their job and sign on RAV.

An article written by a legal specialist in employment in our local paper has clarified the situation, following the case of an employee who gave up his job and then signed on and was refused RAV and appealed the decision- which was refused again. Legally RAV can refuse to pay unemployment contributions if the employee has not discussed any difficulty incurred with his job, his employer, mobbing, or whatever- and asked for help in solving such problems and made every effort to improve the situation. An employee cannot decide to just quit, without all procedures put in place to make every attempt to 'make it work' with the recorded support of the employer. In many cases, RAV can be merely delayed for a certain period- or refused all together. The advice is a/ to discuss any difficulties with the employer and work with them on resolving the issues and b/ ensure that you have a new post in place before quitting- or be faced with a refusal from RAV.

Article in the Neuchâtel Express employment section 2014.

In your case, you were offered another job - so I am not sure.
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Re: Get RAV on B permit & reason for leaving?

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Just to specify, when I said maximum, it was more about the max amount I could theoretically get each month

thanks for your responses so far
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Just to specify, when I said maximum, it was more about the max amount I could theoretically get each month

thanks for your responses so far
80% but that assumes you have children & you have not stated salary, so just an educated guess.
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80% but that assumes you have children & you have not stated salary, so just an educated guess.
Is it not capped at around 10k then minus deductions?
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Is it not capped at around 10k then minus deductions?
It was about 10,600, I believe it has just gone up to 13k since 1.1.16, 70% if you don't have children.
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Normally 70% (if you do not have children)- but it is capped- can't remember the current figure.

As said, if you turn down a job in the firm- then it will cost you- perhaps a few months, perhaps the lot. The system is not desinged for those who deliberately make themselves unemployed.
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Re: Get RAV on B permit & reason for leaving?

70% single/married no kids, 80% if kids too. But you will probably be penalised which usually means payments will be withheld for a certain period of time. You were offered another position after all.

https://www.ch.ch/en/unemployment/

http://geneva.angloinfo.com/informat.../unemployment/

https://www.ahv-iv.ch/p/890.e (pages 70-71)
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Le gain assuré maximum est de Fr. 10’500 par mois ou Fr. 126’000 par an (pour actualisation voir chapitre 19), que l’emploi perdu ait été exercé à temps plein ou à temps partiel. Le gain assuré maximum passera à Fr. 12'350 par mois (Fr. 148'200 par an) au 1er janvier 2016.

So 70% of 10.500 per month or 70% of 126.000 per year at current levels.
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Le gain assuré maximum est de Fr. 10’500 par mois ou Fr. 126’000 par an (pour actualisation voir chapitre 19), que l’emploi perdu ait été exercé à temps plein ou à temps partiel. Le gain assuré maximum passera à Fr. 12'350 par mois (Fr. 148'200 par an) au 1er janvier 2016.

So 70% of 12.350 per month or 70% of 148.200 per year at current levels.
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Le gain assuré maximum est de Fr. 10’500 par mois ou Fr. 126’000 par an (pour actualisation voir chapitre 19), que l’emploi perdu ait été exercé à temps plein ou à temps partiel. Le gain assuré maximum passera à Fr. 12'350 par mois (Fr. 148'200 par an) au 1er janvier 2016.

So 70% of 12.350 per month or 70% of 148.200 per year at current levels.
Thats without any Children, 80% with, the OP asked for the Max possible.
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Re: Get RAV on B permit & reason for leaving?

was the new job a big pay cut? otherwise you are can't possibly get unemployment? If you just don't like the new role (which they where nice to offer) would it be the government's fault? Not trying to be snarky but it just seems odd
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Re: Get RAV on B permit & reason for leaving?

Thank you Odile, very helpful information
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Re: Get RAV on B permit & reason for leaving?

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Hi
First question is that I voluntarily elected to keep a B permit when i could have transferred to a C permit a few years ago (hate paying tax in arrears - stupid mistake!) and now my B permit finishes in 2018. EU resident.

Firstly, can i claim the RAV on a B permit as an eu resident. Have paid a lot of tax etc for last 8 years since been here.

Secondly, I will leave my company with a 'mutual agreement' i.e. we both agree to terminate the contract. My job has disappeared and the alternative was not equivalent. Can i claim the RAV?

Lastl, what is the maximum amount the RAV will pay?

Feel free to point me to other similar threads. i started to get lost looking ...

thanks again,

You have to tell the RAV why you were terminated. Your former employer needs to also fill a form to state why you were terminated. If both say "Position was no longer required" then I'm sure you'll have no problems. However if the employer says "We offered a job which was refused" then you'll likely not get anything for quite some time. If you can claim the maximum, then you have 20 days waiting time in addition to any other penalisation days to get any money at all.
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