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Me neither but this story must have touched a sensible nerve in some EFers... Hilarious.
Sensible or sensitive?

I'm not trying to nitpick for mistakes but 'sensible' in French is one of those 'false friends' which actually means sensitive in English. I think sensitive makes more sense in the context of your post so trying to be helpful rather than judgemental.
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Sensible or sensitive?

I'm not trying to nitpick for mistakes but 'sensible' in French is one of those 'false friends' which actually means sensitive in English. I think sensitive makes more sense in the context of your post so trying to be helpful rather than judgemental.
You are right, I meant sensitive, I even knew the right word in English. I dont know why I wrote sensible...it was a mistake, sorry.
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If this is EF at its best... well...
Only compared to EF at its worst...
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It crossed my mind that women earning on average 20% less than men (depending on skin colour, i'm assuming cathrine is white) if she should ask for a 20% discount on her fine.

seems only fair doesnt it?
The keyword being 'earn.' I earn 500% less than top female CEOs. I should ask for 500% discount on the next car I buy. Seems only fair, doesn't it?
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Old 03.05.2016, 18:58
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Next time, pop over the border to Italy. It's OK to steal food there as long as you can prove you're hungry. Maybe walking around the supermarket licking your lips first would help in any future court case.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36190557
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Next time, pop over the border to Italy. It's OK to steal food there as long as you can prove you're hungry. Maybe walking around the supermarket licking your lips first would help in any future court case.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36190557
Naah, it only proves the Italian judge has read Les Miserables in his childhood...

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Judges overturned a theft conviction against Roman Ostriakov after he stole cheese and sausages worth €4.07 (£3; $4.50) from a supermarket.
Mr Ostriakov, a homeless man of Ukrainian background, had taken the food "in the face of the immediate and essential need for nourishment", the court of cassation decided.
Therefore it was not a crime, it said.
A fellow customer informed the store's security in 2011, when Mr Ostriakov attempted to leave a Genoa supermarket with two pieces of cheese and a packet of sausages in his pocket but paid only for breadsticks.
In 2015, Mr Ostriakov was convicted of theft and sentenced to six months in jail and a €100 fine.
Btw, was it you Adrian who turned him in?

In all seriousness, that could open Pandora's box....I guess.

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In all seriousness, that could open Pandora's box....I guess.
Not if 'hungry' means having had far too little food for days or weeks, bordering on or actual starvation. Wouldn't be much of a surprise if it applied to the homeless. So not having had lunch today would be no excuse.

It's important to note that "state of the accused as well as the circumstances" ("la condizione dell’imputato e le circostanze")are key to why the accused was let off the hook.

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Fine at COOP shoplifting incident

Hello,

I wish to seek a legal help in regards to the fact that i have been recently convicted of a theft incident at one of the grocery shops in Zurich, Switzerland.I am extremely ashamed to say that i was actually shoplifting from one of the stores of COOP when i got caught. they fined me for 150 francs but luckily they did NOT handed me over to the police.

However, I filled out a document to be sent to the headquarters in which I agreed to not enter any coop shop in the next 2 years.

My big question is: will i have this incident filed to my criminal records? Will government be aware of this case? Will I get further fines from Coop headquarter? It is my first offence and again, there was not police involved in the case.

I am really anxious about the issue because i am worried about my future... what my husband will think of me... I feel literally awful...I am really really sorry for what i have done and this will never repeat, for sure I have learned my lesson. Please help me asap.
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Hi there,
I happened to have done the same stupid thing..
I know everybody saya that but I really had never done sth like that. I was out with friends from Ini, they wanted to enter a store, I love shopping so I agreed, we picked lots of clothes to try on and in the cabine I found out they planned to take some pieces and not pay for them.I was horrified but they acted as if I was stupid and they Had done that millions times and nothing happen and blah blah in the end I also put sth in my purse and when we stepped out of the Store we were caught. Most horrible and humiliating moment of my life. But anyway, I am deeply sorry and ashamed and it was really a lesson learned. The humiliation of being caught is already part of my "payment" but I am afraid there is more to come...so I'd appreciate If u could Share with me what happened to you...
Hope you are ok...and thanks in advance
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Hello,

I wish to seek a legal help in regards to the fact that i have been recently convicted of a theft incident at one of the grocery shops in Zurich, Switzerland.I am extremely ashamed to say that i was actually shoplifting from one of the stores of COOP when i got caught. they fined me for 150 francs but luckily they did NOT handed me over to the police.

However, I filled out a document to be sent to the headquarters in which I agreed to not enter any coop shop in the next 2 years.

My big question is: will i have this incident filed to my criminal records? Will government be aware of this case? Will I get further fines from Coop headquarter? It is my first offence and again, there was not police involved in the case.

I am really anxious about the issue because i am worried about my future... what my husband will think of me... I feel literally awful...I am really really sorry for what i have done and this will never repeat, for sure I have learned my lesson. Please help me asap.
So what did you take exactly? It will not be filed under criminal records as the police were not involved. Of course you will not get any more fines from COOP.
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Hello,

I wish to seek a legal help in regards to the fact that i have been recently convicted of a theft incident at one of the grocery shops in Zurich, Switzerland.I am extremely ashamed to say that i was actually shoplifting from one of the stores of COOP when i got caught. they fined me for 150 francs but luckily they did NOT handed me over to the police.

However, I filled out a document to be sent to the headquarters in which I agreed to not enter any coop shop in the next 2 years.

My big question is: will i have this incident filed to my criminal records? Will government be aware of this case? Will I get further fines from Coop headquarter? It is my first offence and again, there was not police involved in the case.

I am really anxious about the issue because i am worried about my future... what my husband will think of me... I feel literally awful...I am really really sorry for what i have done and this will never repeat, for sure I have learned my lesson. Please help me asap.
Obviously you will not have a criminal record because you weren't charged with anything and Coop settled the matter privately.

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Hi there,
I happened to have done the same stupid thing..
I know everybody saya that but I really had never done sth like that. I was out with friends from Ini, they wanted to enter a store, I love shopping so I agreed, we picked lots of clothes to try on and in the cabine I found out they planned to take some pieces and not pay for them.I was horrified but they acted as if I was stupid and they Had done that millions times and nothing happen and blah blah in the end I also put sth in my purse and when we stepped out of the Store we were caught. Most horrible and humiliating moment of my life. But anyway, I am deeply sorry and ashamed and it was really a lesson learned. The humiliation of being caught is already part of my "payment" but I am afraid there is more to come...so I'd appreciate If u could Share with me what happened to you...
Hope you are ok...and thanks in advance
That's a tough lesson to learn, but never let anyone pressure you into doing anything that you know isn't right or legal. How old are you?
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I just want to ask,is this case (Stealing)records in Criminal record?

Is shoplifting record in Criminal record?

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Is shoplifting record in Criminal record?
Depends how serious it was and whether there are other factors. What was it? A packet of chewing gum or something like a stockroom full of iPads?

Can you provide more details?
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

According to the Beobachter:

Die Coop meldet den Vorfall der Polizei, sobald der Warenwert 100 Franken übersteigt – immer jedoch bei Wiederholungstätern oder Dieben, die gewalttätig werden.

https://www.beobachter.ch/gesetze-re...und-dreister-0

-> Coop doesn't involve the Police if the stolen goods were worth less than 100 CHF BUT they'll automatically do so if violence was involved and/or you're a repeated thief.

"Das geschädigte Unternehmen darf nicht damit drohen, es werde einen Strafantrag wegen Diebstahls einreichen, falls die Umtriebsentschädigung nicht bezahlt wird. Dies wäre Nötigung und ist strafbar."

So in short: They can't threaten you with a notice of a criminal charge if you don't pay their fee for "catched theft", and if it was for a small thing AND the first time they might not chase on it, BUT they are absolutely in their right to do.

I would take it as a very strong warning, pay their fee (150.-?) and hope it's all done with it.
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I just want to ask,is this case (Stealing)records in Criminal record?

Is shoplifting record in Criminal record?
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I just want to ask,is this case (Stealing)records in Criminal record?

Is shoplifting record in Criminal record?
Out of interest, how does it work in your country ? Is stealing a crime there too
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She did, to the Coop security guards !!!
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Is shoplifting record in Criminal record?
Theft is punishable by a monetary penalty or prison of up to 5 years Art. 139 Swiss Criminal Code. This makes it a felony.Art. 10 Swiss Criminal Court Felonies and misdemeanors were the court handed out a sentence (even if suspended) must be registered in the criminal record Art. 366 Swiss Criminal Code

In minor cases of theft Art. 172ter Swiss Criminal Code applies and are punished with a fine. In this case it is neither a felony, nor a misdemeanor but only a contraventions Art. 103 Swiss Criminal Code Minor cases of theft can be up to a value of CHF 300 BGE 123 IV 119 Contraventions are entered in the criminal record if the fine is more than CHF 5000 Art. 3 VOSTRA-Verordnung

If it is a case of non-minor theft plus trespassing at the same time, for example because you were banned from entering the premises due to an previous incident, you must be deported and banned from entering the country for at least 5 years.
Art. 66a Swiss Criminal Code
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