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Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Hello,

I am Cathrine.I wish to seek a legal help in regards to the fact that i have been recently convicted of a theft incident at one of the grocery shops in Lausanne (Vaud) Switzerland.I am ashamed to say that i was actually shoplifting from one of the stores of COOP when i got caught. they fined me for 150 francs and handed me over to the police. The police filed the complaint and set me free. It was today that i received a legal order in that regard. The penalty goes like this :
Because you made a theft, you were condemned to A) 30 days amends to CHF 35.- per day, with deferment during 2 years, B) CHF 210.-, convertible in 6 days of sentence of emprisonment of substitution in the event of faulty non-payment within the time limit, and finally C) at the expenses of investigation for CHF 535.-.
Attention and if you wish it, since March 2nd you have 10 days to make opposition to this judgment.


The decision is google translated from French so i don't understannd what exactly is the fine that i have to pay now. is it 30*35 francs in the first case?

I have been fined as well and received a legal order in french which i don't understand. I am a PhD student here, just came 4 months back and the residence permit gets renewed every one year. I have the permit till September 2016 after which it would be scheduled to get renewed for 2 years more and so on , as for students pursuing PhD. By the legal order that i have received, i am convicted of theft and asked to pay certain fines (as above). Moreover, they have also forwarded a copy of it to the Sevice de la population office here in the Vaud canton that i am working in. I am ready to pay the fine but will this incident in anyway affect my visa or anything? will this create any problems in the renewal of my student visa after September.. i could forward you the legal letter as well.. but i am really anxious about the issue because i am worried about my future.and i am really really sorry for what i have done but this is the first and the last time i am doing it. Please help me asap

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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

You have to pay CHF 1050 + CHF 210 + CHF 535 = CHF 1795.
If you fail to pay the CHF 210 part, you will be imprisoned for 6 days. I assume this is a non violent offence so I doubt you'll have permit problems if this is your first offence. But you'll likely never be able to naturalise as a Swiss citizen.
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Old 08.03.2016, 21:32
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Actually, the 1050 is suspended for two years.

The rest you have to pay now.

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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Thanks so much chomp. This is my first offence .. but why have they forwarded the information to the service de la population. .. do you think I will not have any legal issues on the renewal of my permit b once it expires this September. ? What does this first punishment as stated in point a means... I mean how is it suspended. ? I have to pay this fine right? And along with the judgement order .. I have not received any payment bills then how do I pay these fines is the question. . I am really worried that this doesn't affect my future. .. do you think I need to inform in my university. . The hunan resources group that takes care of our permit renewal regarding this. ? What should I do after getting this order as I see no bills attached to it so I have no idea what am I to do .. I am ready to pay the fines right away.. but how to go about all this. Anyway thanks that you took pain to advice.
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Old 08.03.2016, 21:46
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Oh my, I hope it is a lesson learned.

Pay whatever bill you get and just hope for the best that you won´t be punished further for this stupidity. And yes I use the word on purpose. Were you that desperate and needed that really?
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Old 08.03.2016, 21:58
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

The deferment is - in my understanding - a suspended sentence; providing you pay b) and c) as soon as you get the bills and don't get busted again in the next two years you won't have to pay that CHF1050.

Don't panic!

If in doubt the cops will happily explain if you pop down to a police station. Forget about the blushes, they don't care. Dumb things are behind you now. I'm sure your employer will have no idea and why would they get involved? Keep it clean and you'll be fine. As already written above, your permit status shouldn't be affected.

Ps, well done for being open over this. Such behaviour can often surprise the perpertrator and can be a sign of unidentified anxieties. Don't be shy of asking a healthcare professional - a family doctor is a good start - to listen to your concerns. Things will improve.
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Thanks so much for your kind words. .. I have been really anxious ever since I received he letter. I am extremely ashamed and repentant on what I have done .but at the same time I don't wish that thus incident in anyour way affects my future. .. this is my first and last try at something so shameful as this. I am just occupied by the one thought of whether it will affect my future visa renewal and thus my studies? That is what I am concerned about right now. . I can deal with the fines. But as I asked. . How do I pay the bills. ? I received the judgement order btw no bills and I don't want to surpass any rules now .. nor overstep any deadlines. .. will i have to pay for the bills to come ? Do you think I need to go visit a police station regarding this tomorrow or just wait ? I am actually very anxious ... I could also upload the judgement order papers for reference. .. if you need to look at it ... I am clueless of whether I dhould tell anyone at my workplace regarding this in case something serious occurs ... will the university coursework ordinator come to know about this when she reapplied for the renewal of my permit b this September. ..what do you think?
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

As suggested, go see your local police, explain that you are really sorry and wish to do the right thing. They are usually interested in sorting things out rather than being unpleasant, so be brave and put this bad choice of yours behind you. We can't put your mind to rest, but official instances can.
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Don't worry, the Swiss invoicing system works like clockwork. You'll receive the payment slip/s in a few days and then you either enter the details in your bank's online payment system if you use that to pay your monthly bills, or mail them to the bank with a covering authorisation payment slip. Failing that, take them and the payment (cash/debit/credit card) into a Post Office and pay them over the counter. Each payment slip has a small tear off receipt which the clerk will hand back to you when she's processed the payments. Each slip will have a date when they have to be paid by - usually the end of the month, but sometimes it's within 20 days or 30 days of the date on the invoice. Best to pay them as soon as you can though so you don't forget to do so.
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Old 08.03.2016, 22:51
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

1) Breathe
2) Breathe
3) It's likely the bills will be mailed to you. If you're impatient go to a police station with the letter and ask if they could explain what happens. Maybe on the letter itself there's contact info..? They are not hating on you, just dealing with the justice admin and are 'happy' to help you sort things out.
4) Breathe
5) It's unlikely there'll be any further complications as long as the two initial fines are paid. Your future is likely unaffected. This is none of your employers business unless you have some weird clause in your contract, which would be weird.
6) Have a small drink to settle your nerves. Much, much worse things happen at sea ...and even in your neighbourhood. This is small beer.
7) Have a peaceful evening.
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

In 2017 the new rules for foreigners due to come into force means that just 1 more crime and it will be possible for forcible expulsion from switzerland. keep your hands in your pockets...
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Please don't be alarmist; such a decision would be at the discretion of a Judge and as the law stands after the DSI result only for grave offences, which this case isn't.

The OP has declared her hand, accepted the rap and wants to move on. She also appears upset and if a sister slips we offer our hand in assistance, not admonishment.
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She also appears upset and if a sister slips we offer our hand in assistance, not admonishment.
Bloody Nuns!!! You'd think the amount church tax costs they wouldn't have to resort to shoplifting
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Funny that this was written on International Women's Day. We sympathise with a woman who's been caught shoplifting, or at least we should, because she is suffering from anxiety, depression, whatever. A man who's having the same issues usually goes out and buys sports car before sleeping with his secretary. And western society considers him the arsehole.
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Funny that this was written on International Women's Day. We sympathise with a woman who's been caught shoplifting, or at least we should, because she is suffering from anxiety, depression, whatever. A man who's having the same issues usually goes out and buys sports car before sleeping with his secretary. And western society considers him the arsehole.
That's one way of looking at it. Fact is, stealing from a Coop grocery store is what it is. It's probably not going to lead to a life of crime any more than people who ride public transport without a valid ticket. You sometimes just take your chances, most of the time you'd get away with it, but not always.

On a scale of evil, I'll take the shoplifter before anyone who resorts to violence or cruelty.
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On a scale of evil, I'll take the shoplifter before anyone who resorts to violence or cruelty.
I wasn't expecting to hear about your nun fantasies (giving her the body of Christ, watching jesus rise - <<insert other bad puns here>>) at 8am
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

As you have 10 days from 2 March to appeal, I'd expect the bills to arrive on or after the 12th.

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5) It's unlikely there'll be any further complications as long as the two initial fines are paid. Your future is likely unaffected. This is none of your employers business unless you have some weird clause in your contract, which would be weird.
Unless a future employer asks for a criminal check, right?
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Unless a future employer asks for a criminal check, right?
Given good behavior, only publicly visible in the next two years.
Art. 371 Abs. 3bis Swiss Criminal Code.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a371
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Re: Fine at the COOP shoplifting incident

Out of curiosity and to understand the court better. How much (in monetary value) did you try to steal?
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