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Old 09.11.2018, 19:55
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Re: Size of the apartment - family reunion permit refused

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Those are the rules which apply only to federally subsidized apartments. They must have at least the size listed to be eligible.
Here the corresponding act https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...232/index.html which is mentioned in the ordinance.

On the other hand that could also be seen as at least as informal guideline what an appropriate apartment for family reunion purposes should offer. So we see for three persons it needs two individual rooms plus a common room.

Also in the document https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/data/se...ngen-aug-f.pdf you linked a few years ago. It is written in Section 6.1.4

You might change the "-f" at the end of the link in a "-d"to see what the highlighted part means in German
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A “Proficient Search Engine User” according to his profile.

I also wondered what he does... I assumed some kind of lawyer or someone who studied Swiss law or has an interest in it.

Obviously someone who speaks German/French very well to be able to read and search for laws, regulations or guidelines in the right places.
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Re: Size of the apartment - family reunion permit refused

Helllo,

Does anyone know the apartment size criteria for two people for family reunion in Zurich canton?.

Thanks.
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Old 17.04.2019, 18:02
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Helllo,

Does anyone know the apartment size criteria for two people for family reunion in Zurich canton?.

Thanks.
It's quiet difficult to find. A general rule seems to be "amount of family members -1). And it must be "normal" to Swiss standards.

So if you only bring in your partner, it can even be a one-room apartment. Make it a two room and you'll be fine (even if you're already expecting).
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Helllo,

Does anyone know the apartment size criteria for two people for family reunion in Zurich canton?.

Thanks.
1 room is enough, they don't care about two adults living and sleeping in the same room.

source: Was in that situation myself in Zürich.
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Re: Size of the apartment - family reunion permit refused

Has anyone got any experience with bringing in parents (in this case my wife's)?

In particular, would they still apply the N-1 formula for bedrooms?

I was thinking a 5.5 should be sufficient (4 bedrooms):

Bedroom 1) me and wife
Bedroom 2) child 1
Bedroom 3) child 2 (hypothetical at present but will probably have one by the time the request is made)
Bedroom 4) wifes mum and dad.

Surely they wouldn't need me to have 5 bedrooms? If they make me buy a 6.5 I'm going to have to be in some farming village that would make Frick look like a cosmopolitan centre with my financial resources.

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Old 02.03.2021, 17:16
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Has anyone got any experience with bringing in parents (in this case my wife's)?

In particular, would they still apply the N-1 formula for bedrooms?

I was thinking a 5.5 should be sufficient (4 bedrooms):

Bedroom 1) me and wife
Bedroom 2) child 1
Bedroom 3) child 2 (hypothetical at present but will probably have one by the time the request is made)
Bedroom 4) wifes mum and dad.

Surely they wouldn't need me to have 5 bedrooms? If they make me buy a 6.5 I'm going to have to be in some farming village that would make Frick look like a cosmopolitan centre with my financial resources.
Should be enough, but can you bring them here now? If you/wife are Brits or other non-EU it's very difficult, if not impossible, to bring parents here.
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Should be enough, but can you bring them here now? If you/wife are Brits or other non-EU it's very difficult, if not impossible, to bring parents here.
Thankfully covered under the citizens rights agreements between the UK and Switzerland.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...html#937811626

Having reviewed the agreement in detail there appear to be almost no difference between Brits resident before 1 January 2021 and EU citizens - differences are in relation to people who commit crimes and their right to stay.

I'm a bit worried about over-rigorous interpretation of the N-1 bedroom rule even when it doesn't really make any sense. I'll contact the local authories and report back on what they say.

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Old 02.03.2021, 20:22
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Re: Size of the apartment - family reunion permit refused

Don't count non-existent #2.

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Surely they wouldn't need me to have 5 bedrooms? If they make me buy a 6.5 I'm going to have to be in some farming village that would make Frick look like a cosmopolitan centre with my financial resources.
the size of the apartment would be the least of your worries. Signing up for your in-laws medical, accident and future care costs would suffice.
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Re: Size of the apartment - family reunion permit refused

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Has anyone got any experience with bringing in parents (in this case my wife's)?

In particular, would they still apply the N-1 formula for bedrooms?

I was thinking a 5.5 should be sufficient (4 bedrooms):

Bedroom 1) me and wife
Bedroom 2) child 1
Bedroom 3) child 2 (hypothetical at present but will probably have one by the time the request is made)
Bedroom 4) wifes mum and dad.

Surely they wouldn't need me to have 5 bedrooms? If they make me buy a 6.5 I'm going to have to be in some farming village that would make Frick look like a cosmopolitan centre with my financial resources.
Family reunification is limited to spouse, children under 21 and parents and grandparents of the main permit holder.

If your wife has an independent permit for herself then she may bring her parents if the conditions are fulfilled. If she is on family reunification based on your permit then I'm afraid it's not possible.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta/
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Old 02.03.2021, 20:45
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Is your wife Swiss?

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Has anyone got any experience with bringing in parents (in this case my wife's)?

In particular, would they still apply the N-1 formula for bedrooms?

I was thinking a 5.5 should be sufficient (4 bedrooms):

Bedroom 1) me and wife
Bedroom 2) child 1
Bedroom 3) child 2 (hypothetical at present but will probably have one by the time the request is made)
Bedroom 4) wifes mum and dad.

Surely they wouldn't need me to have 5 bedrooms? If they make me buy a 6.5 I'm going to have to be in some farming village that would make Frick look like a cosmopolitan centre with my financial resources.
You need to get them a separate apartment, it will never work, my cousin did exactly that & his mother lives 200m away.
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