Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Permits/visas/government  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 29.05.2016, 18:55
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Aubonne
Posts: 2
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Lavern has no particular reputation at present
Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

Does anyone have experience or could suggest options for dealing with this situation: an Argentinian family friend came to help out a Swiss mom with 3 young children and has ended up staying for several years. Now the Argentinian lady wants to return home to Buenos Aries but she has long outstayed her 3-month Schengen visa. Nobody thought about the implications at the time. A friend was just coming to help another.

Is there a way to deal with this situation to avoid a big penalty or fine, or worse?

Any ideas? Thanks for your help and advice (ideally based on successful experience).

Lavern
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 29.05.2016, 22:01
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,332
Groaned at 411 Times in 319 Posts
Thanked 17,359 Times in 9,739 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

I doubt it. I assume she's been living off the grid as it were, not registered as being a resident here, no insurance, etc.

Expect a fine and probably a ban from entering Schengen for several years would be my guess. The Swiss friend will probably be in trouble too for not properly "employing" her friend, if that was even possible which I doubt, given that she's a non-EU national.

http://www.euro-dollar-currency.com/...engen_visa.htm
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 29.05.2016, 22:17
Sbrinz's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Murten - Morat
Posts: 11,866
Groaned at 563 Times in 354 Posts
Thanked 11,548 Times in 5,941 Posts
Sbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

She could probably take an ordinary train outside Switzerland from Brig to Domodosola, and then on to Milan. Then she could get a plane home, if she has a passport she probably won't be checked any further.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 30.05.2016, 00:45
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,132
Groaned at 218 Times in 138 Posts
Thanked 5,100 Times in 2,636 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

Claim asylum... doors appear to open wide in that case.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at rob1 for this post:
  #5  
Old 30.05.2016, 06:41
NotAllThere's Avatar
Mod x2
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 13,885
Groaned at 245 Times in 216 Posts
Thanked 20,503 Times in 8,331 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

Quote:
View Post
Claim asylum... doors appear to open wide in that case.

Quote:
View Post
She could probably take an ordinary train outside Switzerland from Brig to Domodosola, and then on to Milan. Then she could get a plane home, if she has a passport she probably won't be checked any further.
Wouldn't a plane from Geneva work just as well? The issue here is a Schengen visa overstay, so I'm not sure that a trip to Italy helps.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 30.05.2016, 07:16
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,332
Groaned at 411 Times in 319 Posts
Thanked 17,359 Times in 9,739 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

Me either. A non-EU passport is going to be looked at in Italy as much as here I would guess. I was going to suggest heading for somewhere like Croatia or Romania to then exit, but I'm not sure they don't have better passport control these days now that they're part of the EU.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 30.05.2016, 07:23
TobiasM's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,257
Groaned at 179 Times in 130 Posts
Thanked 2,771 Times in 1,281 Posts
TobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

She should just explain that to the immigration office, that she was a friend who came to help another friend for a few years, totally innocent, no work, was looked after by this friend too, so no worries and she promises to not do it again!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 30.05.2016, 08:17
Mullhollander's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Aargau
Posts: 2,616
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 3,695 Times in 1,619 Posts
Mullhollander has a reputation beyond reputeMullhollander has a reputation beyond reputeMullhollander has a reputation beyond reputeMullhollander has a reputation beyond reputeMullhollander has a reputation beyond reputeMullhollander has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

Might try googling on "leaving schengen after overstaying" for advice. This seems to be a somewhat common problem for American and Canadian backpackers who come to Europe for six weeks and stay for six months. The general advice runs along the lines of avoiding exiting Schengen via Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, Poland and Scandinavian countries, which are considered strict, in favor of Italy and France, which are considered less strict. Paris-Charles de Gaulle and Rome-Fiumicino airports have direct flights to Buenos Aires.

Edit: Could getting a new passport, which wouldn't have the bothersome Schengen entry stamp, be part of the solution?

Last edited by Mullhollander; 30.05.2016 at 08:33.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 30.05.2016, 09:15
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,332
Groaned at 411 Times in 319 Posts
Thanked 17,359 Times in 9,739 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Seeking advice for dealing with significant visa overstay

I doubt it. Border guard would probably ask why the new passport doesn't have one or ask if she has the old one as well with the visa in it. And anyway, why would she have been here long enough to need to get a new passport? Unless she's reported it lost/stolen. Don't you usually need to have at least 6 months left on your passport to travel to Schengen/Switzerland as a non-EU national? So why would she need a new one when she has one with enough time left on it not to break the 90 day limit? And presumably her last entry date will be in the system too.

Not sure Paris would be an option, given that they're still under high terrorist alert.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
nanny overstay, schengen visa story, visa overstay




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
visa / 90-day-overstay / marriage-visa YesICan Permits/visas/government 3 25.09.2015 00:26
Advice appreciated [dealing with real estate upon separation/divorce] saasfeesteve Housing in general 0 01.06.2015 21:31
Any advice on dealing with a plague of mice? Bobby.Buchi Daily life 29 24.07.2013 07:17
need advice with dealing Ricardo.ch & Swiss Post Sumerkirima Finance/banking/taxation 28 02.09.2012 20:09
[Wanted] Advice on dealing with naughty children Hsiang Daily life 44 05.06.2009 22:29


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 13:24.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0