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Brace 23.07.2016 06:24

From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
Hello everyone!

I´m from Portugal and i am starting my new job in lausanne next Tuesday.

I was thinking to do the normal procedure, to register, get the permit and pay health insurance, and get a room, but then the company said after the training they will allow me to work from anywhere remotely because the work requires a lot of traveling over the world, so now i don´t know if i still should do the normal procedure to establish residency in CH with B permit and go and come back ate least every 6 months to maintain the B permit.

Or if i should not register neither do the permit and work with my Swiss contract keeping my residency in Portugal or Spain? (where i was living before)will the taxes be lower? i save on swiss health insurance.

I don´t want to make a deal with them to be an independent contractor or having a Portuguese contract as they will cut my salary a lot....But i would like to enjoy the perk of being able to travel around and saving money by not staying all the time in CH when work doesn´t require it

I feel i should do the normal route, get the B permit pay health insurance open bank account getting an adress of a friend or PO BOX but not renting a room and going abroad and coming as needed by work and staying in hotel when in CH.

What are my options? What saves me more money? What are the advantages of having the B permit and Swiss residency?


I urgently need help as the final negotiation with the CEO is tomorrow...

Thanks very much for your kindness in advance.

k_and_e 23.07.2016 08:02

Re: From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
Be aware that you are liable for taxes in the country where you are working and also in Switzerland. In case you don't plan question to live here, get a good tax consultant.

Medea Fleecestealer 23.07.2016 15:21

Re: From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
It's not just a question of popping back every few months to maintain the permit. The expectation is that you will spend the majority of your time in Switzerland. Yes, business travel can take you away a lot, but the centre of your life is expected to be here, not in Portugal.

Brace 23.07.2016 15:35

Re: From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
The problem is i dont know where is better to establish my centre of life, they let me choose and i dont know what to do.

if i establish in portugal with swiss contract, do i pay only portuguese taxes (45%)? or do i pay only swiss taxes minus health insurance? or do i pay both? from what i interpreted in the agreement between the 2 countries i still have to swiss health insurance and all the swiss taxes and none in portugal. so everything would be the same as being in CH execept having the permit and possibly bank accountbut saving on rent and cost of live.

but im very confuseplease advise!

miniMia 23.07.2016 16:16

Re: From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
What agreement 'between the two countries' are you talking about?

In most cases people pay taxes in the country they are resident. Not the country they collect their salary from.

Sorry. But we need a whole lot more details in order to make this decision for you.....

Brace 23.07.2016 16:25

Re: From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
Thanks for your help.
Double taxation agreement.

What info do you need more, i´m happy to clarify!

miniMia 23.07.2016 17:40

Re: From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
Double taxation agreement isn't anything special. It just means that you will not get taxed on the same income twice. You may have to pay taxes in both places. If you do then you will get credit in country A for taxes paid to country B.

Anyway.... You will get taxes where you are resident. As MF says, you are resident where you "center of life is". So even you have a permit in Switzerland you will likely be taxed anyway in Portugal. Unless you have never lived in Portugal before, but that's a different subject.

How much is the salary? (this is the most important question really)
How often will you need to come to Switzerland?
What kind of work it is?
Why is the CEO going into negotiations with you on a Sunday?

Medea Fleecestealer 23.07.2016 19:38

Re: From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
Well, if you're on a B permit here which is probably what you'll get if your contract is for a year or longer you pay tax at source which is likely to be less than 45% I would guess. There will be deductions for pension contributions, unemployment insurance, etc, as well. If your salary is going to be over CHF120,000 a year then you'll need to fill in a Swiss tax return instead and won't be taxed at source.

Health insurance doesn't come out of your salary, you arrange that yourself with an insurance company here.

Brace 23.07.2016 19:42

Re: From EU, Hired by CH company allowing remote work, where should i live?
 
CEO is calling tomorrow because was in holidays and we don´t have more time as i need to depart Monday.
Work is location independent and requires worldwide travel to see clients and help them configure and demonstrate our software and hardware (IT Support Job and customer service) i don´t think i will need to go to CH much only if they get clients there, but clients are normally worldwide or at max from france because they have an office in paris too.

Salary will be negotiated tomorrow, i am not sure the number i will get offered or what i will ask,because they offer location independency and that is the most valuable asset for me in this position so i dont mind having a lower salary. If it was an office position maybe they would offer 70000-80000CHF ?
But i´expecting something like 60000-70000? are these good numbers anyway for this type of position in Lausanne Vaud? I worked for good companies in the world, Apple Google but dont have much experience on this field.

What would be my options?

thanks very much indeed in advance.


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