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Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

Firstly, please accept my apology if this has already been answered / covered somewhere in a previous thread, but I couldnt find it.
So, my question is, when on a B Permit are you restricted in the number of days you can spend outside of the country?
I thought I read somewhere a while ago that you could only be out of the country for a certain number of days otherwise it would affect your B permit, 90 or 180 seem to be in my head, but am not sure.
Anyone have the info or a link where it states this?
Your help in this matter is appreciated.
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Old 11.10.2016, 00:58
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

After 180 days. Can potentially be longer if a respective request is submitted before leaving the country.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...000/142.20.pdf (Art. 61)

Verlässt die Ausländerin oder der Ausländer die Schweiz, ohne sich abzumelden, so erlischt die Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligung nach drei Monaten, die Aufenthalts- und Niederlassungsbewilligung nach sechs Monaten.
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

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Section 2: Expiry and Revocation of Permits

Art. 61 Expiry of permits

1 A permit expires:
a. on notice of departure abroad;
b. on the grant of a permit in another canton;
c. on the expiry of the term of validity of the permit;
d. on expulsion in terms of Article 68.2

If a foreign national leaves Switzerland without giving notice of departure, a short stay permit expires after three months, and a residence or permanent residence permit (expires) after six months. On request, a permanent residence permit may remain valid for a further four years."

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...000/142.20.pdf
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

Hello, I'm on a dependent L and I was told by the authorities (when i wanted to go out of Switzerland for a while) that I could be gone 3 months without permission from them, and 6 months with notice to the authoritites. My spouse on the other hand could only be away for 3months.
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

Lucky you then. Usually only C permit holders can get permission to stay away longer. Otherwise it's only 3 months for an L permit holder and 6 for a B/C.
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

Yes.I was away for 3.5 months to give birth, and returned without hustle with my L. Little one on the other hand, had to go through the process of acquiring permit. It took 2 months from start to finish with one request for additional information.
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Yes.I was away for 3.5 months to give birth, and returned without hustle with my L. Little one on the other hand, had to go through the process of acquiring permit. It took 2 months from start to finish with one request for additional information.
+1 on the congrats. Perhaps you were allowed a bit longer because as a dependent, your "center of life" was still in Switzerland. Also the authorities do grant exceptions for medical reasons.
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

Update..i just confirmed this from my spouse. The authorities mentioned that I could be away for 6 months without notification as a dependent. After 6 months, I needed a visa to get back in. He only has 3 months to stay out as the main L-permit holder.

Also, the authorities weren't informed that my stay out was due to a health issue. In fact I just left and came back in after 3.5 months without hustle at the airport.
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Update..i just confirmed this from my spouse. The authorities mentioned that I could be away for 6 months without notification as a dependent. After 6 months, I needed a visa to get back in. He only has 3 months to stay out as the main L-permit holder.

Also, the authorities weren't informed that my stay out was due to a health issue. In fact I just left and came back in after 3.5 months without hustle at the airport.
Never hustle at the airport. Too many people are watching you ...
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

Well, it's always worth checking with your cantonal migration office to be sure. Each canton reacts differently to these things.

And the word you want is hassle, not hustle.
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

I just found the below text from the Zurich's Migrationsamt website:

4 Tatsächlicher Auslandaufenthalt
4.1 Ununterbrochener Aufenthalt
Verlässt der Ausländer die Schweiz, ohne sich abzumelden, erlischt die Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligung nach drei Monaten, die Aufenthalts- und Niederlassungsbewilligung nach sechs Monaten (Art. 61 Abs. 2 AuG). Diese Fristen werden durch vorübergehende Besuchs-, Tourismusoder
Geschäftsaufenthalte in der Schweiz nicht unterbrochen (Art. 79 Abs. 1 VZAE).


It was my understanding that with an L, you couldn't be outside the country for 3 consecutive months. So for example, if you were coming for 1 week every month, that would be fine. But looking at the last line, it seems that this does not count, correct? Or is my German off?
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I just found the below text from the Zurich's Migrationsamt website:

4 Tatsächlicher Auslandaufenthalt
4.1 Ununterbrochener Aufenthalt
Verlässt der Ausländer die Schweiz, ohne sich abzumelden, erlischt die Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligung nach drei Monaten, die Aufenthalts- und Niederlassungsbewilligung nach sechs Monaten (Art. 61 Abs. 2 AuG). Diese Fristen werden durch vorübergehende Besuchs-, Tourismusoder
Geschäftsaufenthalte in der Schweiz nicht unterbrochen (Art. 79 Abs. 1 VZAE).


It was my understanding that with an L, you couldn't be outside the country for 3 consecutive months. So for example, if you were coming for 1 week every month, that would be fine. But looking at the last line, it seems that this does not count, correct? Or is my German off?
If you are here only one week per month, your main residence clearly is not Switzerland. You may also have the "luck" of then having to pay taxes in 2 countries, as the other one will probably consider you a resident.
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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

Not really sure what you're asking. Yes, coming back for a week every month means your permit won't become invalid.
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If you are here only one week per month, your main residence clearly is not Switzerland. You may also have the "luck" of then having to pay taxes in 2 countries, as the other one will probably consider you a resident.
Sorry for not providing enough background.
My fiancé just received a L permit for marriage preparation but she is still finishing up her studies in the UK. She will be here permanently in January but will be visiting every so often until then. But if these visits don’t count then she will be past the 3 month marker by January time.

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Not really sure what you're asking. Yes, coming back for a week every month means your permit won't become invalid.
Ah, sorry. So I didn't understand the text. I translated it to mean that visits and tourism doesn't count as an 'interruption'.

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Re: Are number of days outside of Switzerland restricted on B Permit

The wording in german says: these time limits will not be halted by temporary visits. So, if you are here only for a short period per month, might you then not loose your permit?
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Well, it's always worth checking with your cantonal migration office to be sure. Each canton reacts differently to these things.

And the word you want is hassle, not hustle.
Thanks for the heads up.
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The wording in german says: these time limits will not be halted by temporary visits. So, if you are here only for a short period per month, might you then not loose your permit?
Anyone have any experience with this? I know Medea mentioned that you are able to come and go and it shouldn't cause a problem but has anyone had a situation where they actually did this?
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Talk to the cantonal migration office, explain her circumstances and see what they say.
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