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Hi There,

I am non-EU currently on a dependent L permit(my wife is working in Zurich, daughter is with her), and I already came back to my home country thinking about not going back to Zurich this year(my permit will expire at the end of this December).

Here are my questions:
1. I heard that if I deregister myself at gemeinde, then I will not be allowed to apply for another dependent residence permit in the future, is it true?

2. What will happen if I just don't tell Gemeide, and let my permit expire? and Is it possible that I can get another dependent residence permit in the future(in 2 yrs)?

Hope someone can help me with the questions, quite confusing right now
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Re: Deregister and what will happen next?

If you do not deregister youŽd still be liable for health insurance cost
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If you do not deregister youŽd still be liable for health insurance cost
Right now my wife's company is covering it, this is not a problem for now
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Right now my wife's company is covering it, this is not a problem for now
Really? IŽd see that as an issue, if the company finds out they are paying for you and you are no longer here, IŽd imagine theyŽd be p*ssed off
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Re: Deregister and what will happen next?

Whether or not you can get another dependent L permit, later, will, of course, depend upon the permit and working status of your wife, at the time.

And also on how your marriage is viewed by the authorities. If you stay outside of Switzerland for 2 years, and your wife and daughter continue to live in Switzerland, you would most likely have to prove that you do, in fact, still have a connection as a married couple and as a family. Proof in this direction could include, for example, records of phonecalls, joint holidays, mail correspondence, current photos of each other, that you know what is going on in your wife's everyday life (at work, for example) and at your daughter's school, etc.

If you have, however, left Switzerland and intend to remain in your home country because you are leaving your wife, and if your reason for leaving Switzerland includes an intention to separate from her, then it is unlikely that you would be granted a new dependent L permit again, later.

If you don't tell the Gemeinde, and just let your permit expire, then later, should you ever want to return to Switzerland, you will have to start again from the beginning. If your wife can then show (see above) that she wants you back, and if she is then still in a position to vouch for you, then, yes, you'd have a good chance.

Once your permit expires, any further entry into Switzerland, even just for a holiday to visit your daughter, would have to be on the Swiss conditions that apply to tourist visas for your country.
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Re: Deregister and what will happen next?

1. Dependent L permit automatically expires if you are away for more than 3 months.
2. Why do you think you can't get dependent permit again? Ofcourse if you apply, you have to go through the same process again.

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Hi There,

I am non-EU currently on a dependent L permit(my wife is working in Zurich, daughter is with her), and I already came back to my home country thinking about not going back to Zurich this year(my permit will expire at the end of this December).

Here are my questions:
1. I heard that if I deregister myself at gemeinde, then I will not be allowed to apply for another dependent residence permit in the future, is it true?

2. What will happen if I just don't tell Gemeide, and let my permit expire? and Is it possible that I can get another dependent residence permit in the future(in 2 yrs)?

Hope someone can help me with the questions, quite confusing right now
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Whether or not you can get another dependent L permit, later, will, of course, depend upon the permit and working status of your wife, at the time.

And also on how your marriage is viewed by the authorities. If you stay outside of Switzerland for 2 years, and your wife and daughter continue to live in Switzerland, you would most likely have to prove that you do, in fact, still have a connection as a married couple and as a family. Proof in this direction could include, for example, records of phonecalls, joint holidays, mail correspondence, current photos of each other, that you know what is going on in your wife's everyday life (at work, for example) and at your daughter's school, etc.

If you have, however, left Switzerland and intend to remain in your home country because you are leaving your wife, and if your reason for leaving Switzerland includes an intention to separate from her, then it is unlikely that you would be granted a new dependent L permit again, later.

If you don't tell the Gemeinde, and just let your permit expire, then later, should you ever want to return to Switzerland, you will have to start again from the beginning. If your wife can then show (see above) that she wants you back, and if she is then still in a position to vouch for you, then, yes, you'd have a good chance.

Once your permit expires, any further entry into Switzerland, even just for a holiday to visit your daughter, would have to be on the Swiss conditions that apply to tourist visas for your country.
thank you for your information.

I am not thinking about leaving my wife, let along my little girl.

My dependent permit doesn't allow me to work in Switzerland, during the first several months I looked after my little girl, right now she is in school. I had applied for tons of jobs online, got several interviews, and when they know that I don't have the work permit, chances are gone.

I was a little bit depressed, that's why I came back to my home country to fresh up, and thinking about starting my business back home which takes time and energy.

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Really? IŽd see that as an issue, if the company finds out they are paying for you and you are no longer here, IŽd imagine theyŽd be p*ssed off
Well, my health insurance is valid until July 2017, can I have a refund if I prove to the insurance company that I have already deregistered?

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Well, my health insurance is valid until July 2017, can I have a refund if I prove to the insurance company that I have already deregistered?
I have never heard of health insurance being paid in advance for a year? But, you mentioned earlier your wifeŽs company took care of that? Or do you pay it yourself?
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thank you for your information.

I am not thinking about leaving my wife, let along my little girl.

My dependent permit doesn't allow me to work in Switzerland, during the first several months I looked after my little girl, right now she is in school. I had applied for tons of jobs online, got several interviews, and when they know that I don't have the work permit, chances are gone.

I was a little bit depressed, that's why I came back to my home country to fresh up, and thinking about starting my business back home which takes time and energy.
Sorry, but it does allow you to work. It's just that an employer has to meet certain conditions to be able to hire you and you need to have a university degree.

"Members of the family of a short stay permit holder (art. 26 OASA) do not have a right to gainful employment. The gainful activity is subject to authorization.

On admission, a request by the employer respecting the pay and conditions of employment customary in the locality and in the branch must be made. In addition, members of the family of a short stay permit holder (art. 26OASA) must have professional qualifications (personal qualifications, Art. 23 AuG)."

If you don't have a degree or you can't find an employer willing to apply for the change in your permit then no you can't work here. But that won't change however long you're away and the difficulty of getting a new permit in the future will be increased the longer you are out of Switzerland.

As for deregistering or not, well there's the health insurance issue even if it is being paid by your wife's employer's insurance company, mobile phone contract, etc. The document you get from the gemeinde when you deregister helps with the cancellation of these contracts. If not then mix-ups can occur and your wife/you could find yourselves with problems later on. If a contract is not cancelled properly it will continue to run, incurring costs which may not be paid by you/your wife if you don't know about them and could end up with a debt notice being issued against you. Which would certainly not encourage the Swiss to give you another permit in the future.
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Sorry, but it does allow you to work. It's just that an employer has to meet certain conditions to be able to hire you and you need to have a university degree.

"Members of the family of a short stay permit holder (art. 26 OASA) do not have a right to gainful employment. The gainful activity is subject to authorization.

On admission, a request by the employer respecting the pay and conditions of employment customary in the locality and in the branch must be made. In addition, members of the family of a short stay permit holder (art. 26OASA) must have professional qualifications (personal qualifications, Art. 23 AuG)."

If you don't have a degree or you can't find an employer willing to apply for the change in your permit then no you can't work here. But that won't change however long you're away and the difficulty of getting a new permit in the future will be increased the longer you are out of Switzerland.

As for deregistering or not, well there's the health insurance issue even if it is being paid by your wife's employer's insurance company, mobile phone contract, etc. The document you get from the gemeinde when you deregister helps with the cancellation of these contracts. If not then mix-ups can occur and your wife/you could find yourselves with problems later on. If a contract is not cancelled properly it will continue to run, incurring costs which may not be paid by you/your wife if you don't know about them and could end up with a debt notice being issued against you. Which would certainly not encourage the Swiss to give you another permit in the future.
Well, I fully understand the employment condition here, actually I have a master's degree from Sweden, but in real world, it can be difficult for me, probably because of my profession(IT solution sales), and there are a lot of local or EU professionals.

Thank you for your advice, I will ask my wife to help me deregister at the gemeinde

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I have never heard of health insurance being paid in advance for a year? But, you mentioned earlier your wifeŽs company took care of that? Or do you pay it yourself?
I don't know the details, I think we just pay it ourselves, than get the reimbursement from my wife's company.

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I have never heard of health insurance being paid in advance for a year
You can pay at the beginning of the calendar year for one whole year. I have done this many times over the years. Many insurance companies offer a 1 - 2% discount on the annual premium. You can check with yours to see if they offer it, to save money.
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Re: Deregister and what will happen next?

If you do not deregister than what happens?


How we can stay outside Switzerland without deregistering? and How long without creating fuzz.


My company is asking me to move to another location (outside swiss) and my permit is still valid. Can I put it on HOLD.. for let's say 3 months.. something like that?
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If you do not deregister than what happens?


How we can stay outside Switzerland without deregistering? and How long without creating fuzz.


My company is asking me to move to another location (outside swiss) and my permit is still valid. Can I put it on HOLD.. for let's say 3 months.. something like that?
As said in your other post with the same first question: you pay your taxes, health insurance, your apartment etc etc

How long you can put a permit on hold depends on your permit. B or C?
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If you do not deregister than what happens?


How we can stay outside Switzerland without deregistering? and How long without creating fuzz.


My company is asking me to move to another location (outside swiss) and my permit is still valid. Can I put it on HOLD.. for let's say 3 months.. something like that?
As non-EU nationals you can't really since you can't be resident in Switzerland and in another EU country at the same time. Only C permits can be put on hold.
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As non-EU nationals you can't really since you can't be resident in Switzerland and in another EU country at the same time. Only C permits can be put on hold.

So you mean, L-Permit holder has to deregister before moving out of Switzerland... lets say USA for 3months? And again initiate whole visa application process..
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So you mean, L-Permit holder has to deregister before moving out of Switzerland... lets say USA for 3months? And again initiate whole visa application process..
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So you mean, L-Permit holder has to deregister before moving out of Switzerland... lets say USA for 3months? And again initiate whole visa application process..
Yes, that's the way it is. If your company wants to move you elsewhere then they'll have to apply for a new permit for you and go through the application process again.

Only possibility is that you're not out of the country for more than 3 months then your permit doesn't become invalid and you wouldn't have to deregister. That would probably mean your family staying here since your centre of life is supposed to be in Switzerland (which it wouldn't be if they move with you), you paying rent, health insurance for everyone, etc, here in Switzerland.
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Yes, that's the way it is. If your company wants to move you elsewhere then they'll have to apply for a new permit for you and go through the application process again.

Only possibility is that you're not out of the country for more than 3 months then your permit doesn't become invalid and you wouldn't have to deregister. That would probably mean your family staying here since your centre of life is supposed to be in Switzerland (which it wouldn't be if they move with you), you paying rent, health insurance for everyone, etc, here in Switzerland.
Very disappointing to hear that... My colleague was telling me that its possible to put Permit on HOLD.. Anyway, I will also check with immigration authority.. Thanks for your inputs
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Very disappointing to hear that... My colleague was telling me that its possible to put Permit on HOLD.. Anyway, I will also check with immigration authority.. Thanks for your inputs
As said only for C permit holders.
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I have never heard of health insurance being paid in advance for a year? But, you mentioned earlier your wifeŽs company took care of that? Or do you pay it yourself?
Yes, sure, you can. I pay every two months but you can chose 3 months .... 6 month solutions too. You get some - imo not really noticable - discount the longer you pay ahead.

The two month bill I usually pay right in the middle of the period, actually.
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