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documents to register a birth UK dad/swiss mum [zurich]

I still live in the UK but have a child with my partner who lives in Switzerland (who I see every other month)

I've been told I need.

my birth certificate
marriage certificate (still married to my ex partner)
ex partners passport scan
ex partners birth certificate

all with Apostille.

do they really need my wifes birth certificate and passport scan when we are seperated and its not her child ? it seems a bit crazy and I don't see why they would need them.

I have a certified copy of my birth but the gov website says they can only stamp the original given out at the time of birth???????
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Re: documents to register a birth UK dad/swiss mum [zurich]

#1 son was required to produce a 'less than six months old' copy of his UK birth certificate when he married here in Geneva six years ago.... what was basically a photocopy of the original entry in the register, stamped by the issuing office was accepted without question (I ordered it online from the gov.uk site, cost ~£10 I think).
Are you sure you've not misread the webpage?
He wasn't asked to produce his original birth certificate at all, neither then nor when he later registered his children.

Can't help with the rest of the paperwork but suspect the fact that you're still officially married to someone else is a complication.
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Old 07.01.2017, 23:58
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I still live in the UK but have a child with my partner who lives in Switzerland (who I see every other month)

I've been told I need.

my birth certificate
marriage certificate (still married to my ex partner)
ex partners passport scan
ex partners birth certificate

all with Apostille.

do they really need my wifes birth certificate and passport scan when we are seperated and its not her child ? it seems a bit crazy and I don't see why they would need them.

I have a certified copy of my birth but the gov website says they can only stamp the original given out at the time of birth???????
Who told you that? It doesn't make sense to bring all the details of your soon-to-be-ex-wife. If you were the mother the baby's father - at least in Switzerland, don't know about other countries - would automatically be the husband and to change that, the husband would have to agree.
As you're the father and your partner is single - I presume - it's easy.
You do have to bring a current birth-certificate though as the poster above mentioned.
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Re: documents to register a birth UK dad/swiss mum [zurich]

we went to the civil office in winterthur with my "certified copy of birth certificate" issued by the General Register Office website, my passport, bank statements with my address in England because I had no recent utility bills and I thought it would be okay.

but then this woman told my partner we needed all my exs crap as well as the marriage certificate.

she even gave me a letter in german and highlighted in yellow what I need but when I read it in my poor german the only thing I was missing is the marriage certificate.

for the birth certificate part she highlighted it does say "vollstandige geburtsurkunde mit elternangaben nicht als 6 monate, ausgestellt durch das zustandige zivilstandsamt des geburstsortes oder direkt vom general register office fur england und wales www.gro.gov.uk" which even with my really bad german I translate to or direct from the general register office which mine was

you can only get an Apostille stamp on the original according to the government website for legalising documents
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We can only accept the document in the following format. Please confirm that you will send us:
Your original birth certificate (UK
my original birth certificate isn't a full size one since i was born in 1981 when they didn't give full size ones.. it doesnt even list my parents where as the certified copy lists my parents and there jobs at the time.

it does say "heiratsurkunde der letzlen Ehe" but I see nothing about needing my exs passport scan or birth certificate on this letter she gave us but this woman assured us we did need them....

my current partner is getting really stressed about it all as the child is 4months already... she says something about it being a crime not to say who the dad is and have him registered.
and as hes my son I naturally want the parental responsibility for him and to legally be his dad.
but it seems like its a fight to get it
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Old 08.01.2017, 03:33
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we went to the civil office in winterthur with my "certified copy of birth certificate" issued by the General Register Office website, my passport, bank statements with my address in England because I had no recent utility bills and I thought it would be okay.

but then this woman told my partner we needed all my exs crap as well as the marriage certificate.

she even gave me a letter in german and highlighted in yellow what I need but when I read it in my poor german the only thing I was missing is the marriage certificate.

for the birth certificate part she highlighted it does say "vollstandige geburtsurkunde mit elternangaben nicht als 6 monate, ausgestellt durch das zustandige zivilstandsamt des geburstsortes oder direkt vom general register office fur england und wales www.gro.gov.uk" which even with my really bad german I translate to or direct from the general register office which mine was

you can only get an Apostille stamp on the original according to the government website for legalising documents

my original birth certificate isn't a full size one since i was born in 1981 when they didn't give full size ones.. it doesnt even list my parents where as the certified copy lists my parents and there jobs at the time.

it does say "heiratsurkunde der letzlen Ehe" but I see nothing about needing my exs passport scan or birth certificate on this letter she gave us but this woman assured us we did need them....

my current partner is getting really stressed about it all as the child is 4months already... she says something about it being a crime not to say who the dad is and have him registered.
and as hes my son I naturally want the parental responsibility for him and to legally be his dad.
but it seems like its a fight to get it
Sorry about that. Yes, I know this problem in Winterthur well and they can be a pain. Demanding the birth-certificate not older than six months and with the mention of your parents is correct. If yours is not up to their demand (what is wrong with it? Older than 6 months?) why don't you try the embassy here?
The marriage certificate "der letzten Ehe" is new to me yet I've not had that case, so it could be correct. Obviously you have that?
If I don't see the the leaflet you received I can't comment it. Wanna make a pdf and pm it to me?
Tell your girlfriend to relax. It is NOT a crime not to mention the father! Maybe she should even tell them that if they don't give you two more assistance she will register the baby as "Vater unbekannt".
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Re: documents to register a birth UK dad/swiss mum [zurich]

hopefully you can read these images enough.

I don't see what was wrong with my birth certificate copy as it's issued from the government department highlighted in the letter and less than 6 months old.

passport is obviously fine.

sure a bank statement isn't a utility bill but it's as good as one in the UK and in a world of direct debits and paperless billing utility bills can be hard to get.

as far as I can work out the only thing I didn't have is a copy of my marriage certificate
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Paperless utility bills should be very easy to get, you simply print them off from your account. I do that all the time with mine.
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hopefully you can read these images enough.

I don't see what was wrong with my birth certificate copy as it's issued from the government department highlighted in the letter and less than 6 months old.

passport is obviously fine.

sure a bank statement isn't a utility bill but it's as good as one in the UK and in a world of direct debits and paperless billing utility bills can be hard to get.

as far as I can work out the only thing I didn't have is a copy of my marriage certificate
Did they actually say there was something wrong with your birth-certificate? If so, you ask them what is wrong with it exactly.
The marriage-certificate seems clear. I see nowhere that you need your wifes details either. It doesn't make sense either as - I guess - she wants nothing to do with this baby.
Do you still live with your wife? If not, can you get a document that you're separated?
Is your girlfriend Swiss? Doesn't she speak the language or why can't she ask clear/straight forward questions at the registry office?

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Paperless utility bills should be very easy to get, you simply print them off from your account. I do that all the time with mine.
Exactly, there is no problem there, so print them out, give them the things they want, don't complicate things unnecessarily.

I don't know their reasoning so I'm a bit at a loss here.
Make sure you got the papers mentioned in the leaflet together (passport, utility bills, birth-certificate, marriage certificate), handing in bits and pieces is not advisable.
Is one person appointed to your case now or can you change the person by just picking a different desk next time you go in? In my experience it helps to change the consultant sometimes.
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