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Do you have a reference for that?

I know several EU C permit holders with quite low German skills.
After 5 years your level of German should comfortably be sufficient.
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

I got mine without a German test so nyah-nah!
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

In BS, I applied for an early C (non-EU) after 5 years. I wrote a letter (had it proofread by a native speaker), no references, yes work contracts and TELC/Goethe German certificates for myself and OH. We got it without a problem.

I have B2 and my German is still quite bad. I understand well, can read books in German and write (error-ridden but understandable) letters, but my spoken German is crap. Very far from fluent.
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

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Depends on your definition of meaningful. I'm in the A2 to B1 range (speaking). Although I can't debate the finer points of politics or discuss obscure body parts with the doctor, I can make myself understood in most daily situations and get by during dinner with the neighbors. I make a ton of mistakes but folks know what I'm trying to say. That's the point of having a certificate in A2, it shows you can get by in basic situations, not that you're defending a PhD thesis.
When you say that you are A2 to B1, I guess you are referring to the language competence needed for A2/B1, not certificates. I bet that with you described level, if you take an exam, a B2 certificate is a piece of cake.

The thing is not that the standard set by CEFR (Common European Framework of Reference for Languages) is too low, it is rather that the certificates are being given to persons well below the required language competence. I frequently meet french speakers who cannot hold a daily conversation except for some simple sentences, yet they have a DELF B2 certificate.

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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

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In BS, I applied for an early C (non-EU) after 5 years. I wrote a letter (had it proofread by a native speaker), no references, yes work contracts and TELC/Goethe German certificates for myself and OH. We got it without a problem.

I have B2 and my German is still quite bad. I understand well, can read books in German and write (error-ridden but understandable) letters, but my spoken German is crap. Very far from fluent.
Non-EU, 10+years, ZH. My situation is that I am asked to submit my documents in 2 weeks, where I fulfill all the requirements except having a TELC/Goethe Certificate. I have done my A2, but not appeared for a test.
  1. Can Goethe exam dates not be chosen at will? I see that the institutes facilitating TELC/Goethe exams have specific dates to chose from.
  2. Does anyone know if they also accept Kursbestätigung for having attended A2 recently?
  3. Would Migrationsamt extend the time to submit these docs by a month to allow me to appear for the Language Exam?

I'll obviously call them tomorrow, but getting prepared of what to expect when I do.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

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Non-EU, 10+years, ZH. My situation is that I am asked to submit my documents in 2 weeks, where I fulfill all the requirements except having a TELC/Goethe Certificate. I have done my A2, but not appeared for a test.
  1. Can Goethe exam dates not be chosen at will? I see that the institutes facilitating TELC/Goethe exams have specific dates to chose from.
  2. Does anyone know if they also accept Kursbestätigung for having attended A2 recently?
  3. Would Migrationsamt extend the time to submit these docs by a month to allow me to appear for the Language Exam?

I'll obviously call them tomorrow, but getting prepared of what to expect when I do.

Thanks in advance!
you need to expect that the test results will take 4 weeks to arrive.
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

1. As far as I know, no you can't. Tests can only be done at specific times which is why it's best to get the test done before you start the application process.

2. No, only certificates are acceptable. Just because you've attended a course, it doesn't mean you're up to the required language proficiency standard.

3. You can but ask. They may surprise you and say yes.
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Non-EU, 10+years, ZH. My situation is that I am asked to submit my documents in 2 weeks, where I fulfill all the requirements except having a TELC/Goethe Certificate. I have done my A2, but not appeared for a test.
  1. Can Goethe exam dates not be chosen at will? I see that the institutes facilitating TELC/Goethe exams have specific dates to chose from.
  2. Does anyone know if they also accept Kursbestätigung for having attended A2 recently?
  3. Would Migrationsamt extend the time to submit these docs by a month to allow me to appear for the Language Exam?

I'll obviously call them tomorrow, but getting prepared of what to expect when I do.

Thanks in advance!
It looks like there is an exam on January 27th in Konstanz

http://www.humboldt-institut.org/deu...-konstanz.html

It is much cheaper too 110euro compared to 240CHF in zurich.

It might be little weird to take the exam in Germany in order to apply for C permit in Switzerland, but rules doesn't specify where you can take the exam
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

You do need a certificate, and it doesn't matter whether it's from Switzerland or from Germany. Also, you can just get a normal B and at any time after, when you have the certificate, apply for a C. We applied as soon as both of us fulfilled the requirements, in the middle of our one year B permit validity period.
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

thank you all for your responses.

went to Migrationsamt today afternoon and based on my follow-up, the answers to my own questions are:
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No, dates cannot be chosen at will

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Strict NO. They only recognize TELC, Goethe, TestDaF & ÖSD

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Yes, with no hesitation.

As told by this Mr.Nice Guy at Migrationsamt, my options are:
  • take B for now and re-apply for C when I have my A2 Certificate
  • apply for C again next year
  • or write them an email asking for extension of time to submit my documents

I'll stick to the 3rd option cos I am taking up the exam in Tirol next week. Good to have a days break and drive through the scenic valleys of Tirol, and it's cheap. Just 120 Euros

hope this saves someone's time and effort.
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

I am trying to register online for Goethe but can't seem to find any. I can see the exam dates, centres but no registration. Can you share the link?
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

We are alson non-eu and non-us. The german certificate(B1) and proof of financial autonomy are a must. A reference letter is optional but certainly helps. The most important points to note in such letter are integrstion into swiss culture an willingness to be integrated. If you are a member of a local club, that is a great plus.
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We are alson non-eu and non-us. The german certificate(B1) and proof of financial autonomy are a must. A reference letter is optional but certainly helps. The most important points to note in such letter are integrstion into swiss culture an willingness to be integrated. If you are a member of a local club, that is a great plus.
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The B1 is for nationalisation, right nut for C. Can you give an example of a local club? Thanks
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The B1 is for nationalisation, right nut for C. Can you give an example of a local club? Thanks
For my case, non-eu and non-us and not germanophone, the language certificate was a MUST. Honestly, one of the most important requirements.
The level and the type of test depends on the canton. Zurich asks for B1 certificate from Goethe or TELC or similar. But canton AG askes for A2, and they accepted a test which was called BULATS. Which was way cheaper and easier (the test is all on PC at some language schools such as TLC).

Regarding the club: for instance a bicycle club (verein in German). To show that you are willing to integrate with the swiss people. But this is a nice to have.

BTW, you should write a cover (motivation) letter in German too, search online, there are some examples
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

Hi i know this is an old thread, would like to throw in my question here and hope for an answer.

I have a 10 year old B1 certificate from Germany, would that be accepted?

I have been living in Zurich for 10yrs now, non EU married to EU citizen. I am about to switch from B to C permit.
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Hi i know this is an old thread, would like to throw in my question here and hope for an answer.

I have a 10 year old B1 certificate from Germany, would that be accepted?

I have been living in Zurich for 10yrs now, non EU married to EU citizen. I am about to switch from B to C permit.
Is it from one of the accepted places on the list for Zurich? If so then I don't see why they wouldn't count it, especially if you can communicate fine with them in German.
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Is it from one of the accepted places on the list for Zurich? If so then I don't see why they wouldn't count it, especially if you can communicate fine with them in German.
Yes it is from Goethe institute. I hope i will be fine with it and not have to take another test.
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

If you apply under VINTA, then no. However the language requirement is higher. And a motivation letter helps a lot.
If you apply under the normal 10 years, then the language requirement is lower but again no. At least that was the case when I applied for it a few years back.
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Re: reference letter for C-permit application

out of curiousity of this topic, how about fast track c permit (5 years for non-eu)? I know language b1 is a requirement (e.g. in Bern canton), apart from that, anyone else has some experiences about how easy / difficult it is for the fast track?



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