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Non-EU Frontalier Living in France, Working in Switzerland (Vaud)

Hello guys,

Hope someone can help me with this matter since I don't know the reality for non-EU to live in France and work in Switzerland.

My boyfriend is French, from Tancua, and I'll move to France with him in July to live around there at the border.
He will probably work again in the canton of Vaud (we are currently living in the UK) and I'd like to know what I have to do to have the right to work in Switzerland too if I can.

I understand that things are more difficult when you're a non-EU wanting to work in Switzerland but would like to know which way I can go to get a G-permit and how's the process.

Also I'd have to ask for a long stay visa to live in France and a work permit to have the right to work in Switzerland, right? (Not Geneva, we both won't work there)

I appreciate any help, it's been difficult to get solid information for non-EU frontaliers!

Thanks,

Nathalia
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Old 23.01.2017, 21:10
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Re: Non-EU Frontalier Living in France, Working in Switzerland (Vaud)

The only way is to get married.

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Re: Non-EU Frontalier Living in France, Working in Switzerland (Vaud)

Would it make things easier for us?

Our marriage will happen at some point but don't want to rush things in order to get things easier for me.

Could you explain me why this would be our only option?

Thanks!
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Old 23.01.2017, 21:22
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Re: Non-EU Frontalier Living in France, Working in Switzerland (Vaud)

Because it is very difficult for a non EU person to get a G permit. Also, AFAIK you have to have lived in the area for some time before being able to apply for one.

You can ask here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...ntone_und.html

http://www.vd.ch/themes/economie/emp...ommunautaires/

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Would it make things easier for us?

Our marriage will happen at some point but don't want to rush things in order to get things easier for me.

Could you explain me why this would be our only option?

Thanks!
As the spouse of an EU citizen you will have the same employment rights as he has. As a non-EU (as you are at present) you would need to prove to the swiss that you're the only possible candidate for whichever job it is you've applied for; under current regulations any future employer is obliged to take a swiss or EU passport holder first over anyone else.
It's also possible that you'll need to have lived in the frontalier zone for a few years before qualifying for a G-permit, even as an EU.
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Old 23.01.2017, 21:42
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Re: Non-EU Frontalier Living in France, Working in Switzerland (Vaud)

Even marriage wouldn't solve the problem immediately. To qualify for a G permit a non-EU national has to have a permanent residence permit for the country they live in, in your case France. To get that is normally 5 years (could be 3 if married) according to this.

http://www.expatica.com/fr/visas-and...ce_107626.html

Plus you have to live in a border zone area for at least 6 months. Only if you can meet those requirements would you be able to see if you can find an employer willing to hire you here.

Also note that the Swiss government has implemented a "soft" result to the 2014 referendum on curbing immigration from the EU which means even more encouragement for Swiss employers to employ people who already live and work here and not those from outside the country.
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The only way is to get married.

Tom
Yep- what we had to do for me to be able to return to UK after my initial work contract ended- as a Swiss in London in the early 70s. It could have been a disaster, as we were far too young, me 20 and he 25. Still together nearly 47 years later...

Anyhow, I live not far, near Pontarlier - if you ever want to have coffee or lunch in Pontarlier when you get here.
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Even marriage wouldn't solve the problem immediately. To qualify for a G permit a non-EU national has to have a permanent residence permit for the country they live in, in your case France. To get that is normally 5 years (could be 3 if married) according to this.

http://www.expatica.com/fr/visas-and...ce_107626.html

Plus you have to live in a border zone area for at least 6 months. Only if you can meet those requirements would you be able to see if you can find an employer willing to hire you here.
So even if I get a carte de séjour temporaire allowing me to live in France for a year (knowing this will be renewable) and after living 6 months at the border (or any other kind of long term visa), it doesn't allow me to get a G-permit if I get a work in Switzerland?

What non-EU people have to do when they move to France with their partners and they want to work in Switzerland after living at the border for at least 6 months?
There's no way at all to get a G-permit before living there all those years?

And thanks for your help!

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As the spouse of an EU citizen you will have the same employment rights as he has. As a non-EU (as you are at present) you would need to prove to the swiss that you're the only possible candidate for whichever job it is you've applied for; under current regulations any future employer is obliged to take a swiss or EU passport holder first over anyone else.
It's also possible that you'll need to have lived in the frontalier zone for a few years before qualifying for a G-permit, even as an EU.
Got it, thanks for your help!

So my only chance for now is to live and work in France then, don't have much options at the end which is quite frustrating because I'd have more options to work in Switzerland as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks again for your reply

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Because it is very difficult for a non EU person to get a G permit. Also, AFAIK you have to have lived in the area for some time before being able to apply for one.

You can ask here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...ntone_und.html

http://www.vd.ch/themes/economie/emp...ommunautaires/
I will take a look at the links, thank you very much!

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So even if I get a carte de séjour temporaire allowing me to live in France for a year (knowing this will be renewable) and after living 6 months at the border (or any other kind of long term visa), it doesn't allow me to get a G-permit if I get a work in Switzerland?

What non-EU people have to do when they move to France with their partners and they want to work in Switzerland after living at the border for at least 6 months?
There's no way at all to get a G-permit before living there all those years?

And thanks for your help!
The problem for you at the moment is your citizenship, not where you live. As others have said, non-EU citizens are at the back of the queue for jobs in Switzerland. Any potential employer has to prove to the authorities they can't find a Swiss, EU or non-EU already living in Switzerland on a valid permit for the job. It's not impossible but it is a tall order and the move has been toward more restrictive requirements, not less.

Switzerland isn't part of the EU. They do have some agreements, but they only cover EU citizens, not residents.

I agree no one should ever get married just for a permit. However if marriage is already in the cards, it will make your life a lot easier long-term.
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No, without a permanent residence permit a G is impossible.

"Third-country nationals will only be given a cross-border commuter G-permit, if they have a permanent residence permit in a neighboring country. They also need to have had their residence in the neighboring country’s border zone for at least six months and fulfill the labor market requirements. G-permits are usually valid for one year, and are limited to the border zone of the issuing canton. Third-country border commuters require permission to change jobs or occupations."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...willigung.html

Marry and both of you move to Switzerland. That's the only way you'll be able to work here quickly and easily.
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Re: Non-EU Frontalier Living in France, Working in Switzerland (Vaud)

First, if you do not get married, you will be generally treated as a non-EU national both in France and Switzerland. Living in France and working in Switzerland is approximately impossible.

What if you get married?
You, as spouse of your husband, will have the right to accompany him, meaning that you will have the right to live (and mostly also work) in the country where he lives. This is called family reunion. There are two things to know about family reunion:
- You have to live with your husband, and you will only get family reunion for the country where he lives. So if your husband lives in France, you cannot live or work in another country (be it Switzerland, Germany or China) based on family reunion. Or the other way round, if he lives in Switzerland, you cannot live in France based on family reunion (even if his nationality is French and you are married to him).
- The only counting factor is the place where he lives. The fact that he works in another country (Switzerland in this case) does not give you the right to work in that country.

The solution is that you get married and you both move to Switzerland. For your husband, moving to live Switzerland is easy (due to the agreement between EU and CH). As soon as he is a resident in Switzerland, you will be granted family reunion in Switzerland, which gives you rights to live and work here.
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