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More than 1 jobs at the same time with L(B)

I have L permit and permanent full-time contract, non EU. So, should have B, but because of quota I have L. Now I want to have another part-time job without any changing in my main job. Just in addition. Is it possible? I've red somewhere that I can have up to 50% time job in addition but can't find where these rules is written. Does anybody know?
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Re: More than 1 jobs at the same time with L(B)

It's possible I think, but you need permission from your first employer to take a second job.
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No. As far as I know with both a non-EU L or B permit you can't work for anyone other than the employer who obtained your permit for you.
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Re: More than 1 jobs at the same time with L(B)

There are many opinions. Can you attach any links to any written rules?
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No. As far as I know with both a non-EU L or B permit you can't work for anyone other than the employer who obtained your permit for you.
Think you're right, I missed the non-EU bit.
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Old 28.01.2017, 20:31
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There are many opinions. Can you attach any links to any written rules?
What does it say on your permit?

If it's tied to an employer, the answer is clear.

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Re: More than 1 jobs at the same time with L(B)

If it's an L permit, it's tied pure and simple. Non-EU ones always are.

Short stay permits are granted for a specific purpose/job and it's VERY difficult to change jobs when you have an L permit. So working for someone else isn't going to be possible either as there is no good reason for you to have to do so.

Chapter 6 Regulation of the Period of stay

Art. 32 Short stay permit

1 The short stay permit is granted for limited periods of stay of up to one year.

2 It is granted for a specific purpose of stay and may be made subject to additional conditions.

3 It may be extended by up to two years. A change of job is only possible for good cause.

4 The short stay permit may only be granted again after an appropriate interruption of stay in Switzerland.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...232/index.html

Even if you had a tied B you still wouldn't be able to do it I don't think. Only with an open B, which is effectively the same as an EU B permit in allowing you to live and work anywhere in Switzerland, would you be able to work for more than one employer at a time.
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Re: More than 1 jobs at the same time with L(B)

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What does it say on your permit?

If it's tied to an employer, the answer is clear.

Tom
It's clear that I have to work on my employer and I still plan to do it. It's clear that I can do what I want on my free time. Why not to earn more money? It's not his business if it's not written in my contract. Or not?
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It's clear that I have to work on my employer and I still plan to do it. It's clear that I can do what I want on my free time. Why not to earn more money? It's not his business if it's not written in my contract. Or not?
Quite simple - because you're not allowed to. Your permit was granted for you to work for that employer doing whatever job he hired you to do - and nothing else employment-wise. You do not have the right to work for anyone else, period. That is precisely what a tied permit means, you're limited to that employer only.
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If it's an L permit, it's tied pure and simple. Non-EU ones always are.

Short stay permits are granted for a specific purpose/job and it's VERY difficult to change jobs when you have an L permit. So working for someone else isn't going to be possible either as there is no good reason for you to have to do so.

Chapter 6 Regulation of the Period of stay

Art. 32 Short stay permit

1 The short stay permit is granted for limited periods of stay of up to one year.

2 It is granted for a specific purpose of stay and may be made subject to additional conditions.

3 It may be extended by up to two years. A change of job is only possible for good cause.

4 The short stay permit may only be granted again after an appropriate interruption of stay in Switzerland.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...232/index.html

Even if you had a tied B you still wouldn't be able to do it I don't think. Only with an open B, which is effectively the same as an EU B permit in allowing you to live and work anywhere in Switzerland, would you be able to work for more than one employer at a time.
Can't find any restrictions with regard to my situation. My main job is still the purpose of my stay. But I'm not a slave at my out-of-job time.
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Can't find any restrictions with regard to my situation. My main job is still the purpose of my stay. But I'm not a slave at my out-of-job time.
Yes, you are a slave in your out-of-job time as far as any other employment goes. You are not allowed to work for anyone else nor are you allowed to be self-employed. Forget it.
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Yes, you are a slave in your out-of-job time as far as any other employment goes. You are not allowed to work for anyone else nor are you allowed to be self-employed. Forget it.
What I found in this document https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...32/index.html#
It's still not clear whether my permit admits it or not and I still don't find any direct restrictions.
Art. 38 Gainful employment

1 Persons with a short stay permit who are admitted in order to be self-employed or to engage in salaried employment may work as authorised anywhere in Switzerland. A change of job may be approved, if there is good cause and the requirements of Articles 22 and 23 are fulfilled.

2 Persons with a residence permit who are admitted in order to be self-employed or to engage in salaried employment may work anywhere in Switzerland. They require no additional authorisation to change jobs.

3 Persons with a residence permit may be authorised to become self-employed if the requirements of Article 19 letters a and b are fulfilled.

4 Persons with a permanent residence permit may be self-employed or engage in salaried employment anywhere in Switzerland.
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Re: More than 1 jobs at the same time with L(B)

You are non EU and have an L Permit, which is normally tied to an employer. What does your permit say?

Anyone hiring you would have to prove that they cannot find a Swiss or EU person doing that job.
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...It's still not clear whether my permit admits it or not and I still don't find any direct restrictions...
The Swiss don't always spell things out in the way you might think. By default, if it's not listed as allowed then it's not allowed. Where I come from (and maybe where you come from) the opposite is generally true - it's allowed unless you can find language that it's not.

You have not been admitted as self-employed. You've been hired by a specific employer. Look at the back of your permit. Is your employer is listed on the permit? If yes, you have your answer that your permit is tied.

Your free time is your free time, but only to the extent that you're not breaking the law by working illegally.
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What I found in this document https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...32/index.html#
It's still not clear whether my permit admits it or not and I still don't find any direct restrictions.
Art. 38 Gainful employment

1 Persons with a short stay permit who are admitted in order to be self-employed or to engage in salaried employment may work as authorised anywhere in Switzerland. A change of job may be approved, if there is good cause and the requirements of Articles 22 and 23 are fulfilled.

2 Persons with a residence permit who are admitted in order to be self-employed or to engage in salaried employment may work anywhere in Switzerland. They require no additional authorisation to change jobs.

3 Persons with a residence permit may be authorised to become self-employed if the requirements of Article 19 letters a and b are fulfilled.

4 Persons with a permanent residence permit may be self-employed or engage in salaried employment anywhere in Switzerland.
The key words there are "as authorised". You have been authorised to work for your employer. You haven't been authorised to work for anyone else.

But if you want to risk having your permit revoked by working for someone else who you're not authorised to work for, go ahead. But don't complain here if that happens, because you've been told the situation as far as your employment goes. If you really want to push this then contact your cantonal migration office who'll set you straight about who you can and cannot work for.

Also note that the English version of the Foreign Nationals Act is not a complete translation, but only the basics.
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Re: More than 1 jobs at the same time with L(B)

OK. Thanks. But to completely close this question.
It's written on my permit - company name, Stellen- und Berufswechsel bewillingungspflichtig. My German is far from perfect, but may be Stellen- means that it's possible to get permission from the migration office?
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OK. Thanks. But to completely close this question.
It's written on my permit - company name, Stellen- und Berufswechsel bewillingungspflichtig. My German is far from perfect, but may be Stellen- means that it's possible to get permission from the migration office?
It means that in order to change jobs you need permission. Getting another job will mean that your current employer has to approve (most likely an item in your contract) and that your second employer is willing to go through the procedure of hiring a non EU person. If your second employer will not do that you will be working illegally.
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It means that in order to change jobs you need permission. Getting another job will mean that your current employer has to approve (most likely an item in your contract) and that your second employer is willing to go through the procedure of hiring a non EU person. If your second employer will not do that you will be working illegally.
It's better. Thanks. No, I don't have it in my contract.
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It's better. Thanks. No, I don't have it in my contract.
Still, you can only work for that employer as your permit is tied to that employer. Again, if your second employer hires you without getting approval, you are working illegally
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OK. Thanks. But to completely close this question.
It's written on my permit - company name, Stellen- und Berufswechsel bewillingungspflichtig. My German is far from perfect, but may be Stellen- means that it's possible to get permission from the migration office?
Change of employment and occupation is subject to approval.

As it is almost impossible to do the above on an L permit (see 3 under the Chapter 6 info I posted), getting permission to work for another employer part time will also prove impossible. Which explains why there's nothing mentioned in your contract. You work for that employer and only that employer - no need to say anything else in your contract because the conditions of your permit exclude anything else.
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