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Naturalization in Graubünden/Grisons

Hello everyone!

Does anyone know about the naturalization process in the canton of GR?

I know that Geneva, Zürich, Basel-Stadt, Bern etc. hand out passports much more frequently than other cantons, but isn't that mainly because there are more foreigners there? I do know that Schwyz/Schwytz is very conservative, but what's YOUR impression of GR? Any experience?

Cantonal residence requirements for regular naturalisation in Graubünden is 6 years - which is quite long. But this will change to fewer years because of the citizenship reforms formed last year. Does this reflect on GR's approach to foreigners though?

So in GR, is the process tedious; expensive; discriminating; liberal, easy...? Do local citizens vote on whether you deserve the red passport or not?

Thank you very much in advance!
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Old 07.02.2017, 11:12
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Re: Naturalization in Graubünden/Grisons

I presume you read all this already.
https://www.gr.ch/DE/institutionen/v...uslaender.aspx
At a rough guess how friendly the natives are in a specific parish varies from one to another. Alien-friendlyCanton? No idea but it might also depend a bit on you. What do you offer the canton?
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Hello everyone!

Does anyone know about the naturalization process in the canton of GR?

I know that Geneva, Zürich, Basel-Stadt, Bern etc. hand out passports much more frequently than other cantons, but isn't that mainly because there are more foreigners there? I do know that Schwyz/Schwytz is very conservative, but what's YOUR impression of GR? Any experience?

Cantonal residence requirements for regular naturalisation in Graubünden is 6 years - which is quite long. But this will change to fewer years because of the citizenship reforms formed last year. Does this reflect on GR's approach to foreigners though?

So in GR, is the process tedious; expensive; discriminating; liberal, easy...? Do local citizens vote on whether you deserve the red passport or not?

Thank you very much in advance!
Are you talking about the normal route to naturalisation or facilitated (i.e. are you married to a Swiss)?
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Old 07.02.2017, 11:23
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Re: Naturalization in Graubünden/Grisons

Information for that is also in the link. ��
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Normal route to naturalization!

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Information for that is also in the link. ��
It doesn't say if locals will vote on you or not, though.

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Re: Naturalization in Graubünden/Grisons

That depends on the town to which you are applying, ask them.

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That depends on the town to which you are applying, ask them.

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So people still have the right to vote over naturalization in CH? Because I was not sure...

It's embarrasing if they vote like that
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So people still have the right to vote over naturalization in CH? Because I was not sure...

It's embarrasing if they vote like that
If you are going to become Swiss, you'd better get used to voting for EVERYTHING.
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I do know that, but I had heard officials say locals shouldn't get to vote on that, because of Yugoslavians are being voted down, with others being favoured etc(?).
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It doesn't say if locals will vote on you or not, though.
Quite clear here

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...uergerung.html

Federal, cantonal, communal all get their say. And that won't change under the new law.
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I do know that, but I had heard officials say locals shouldn't get to vote on that, because of Yugoslavians are being voted down, with others being favoured etc(?).
I know it's gradually being abolished but, like St2lemans says, call your local gemeinde. You won't know until you find out from the horse's mouth.

I think there are a lot of juicy urban myths which are heard from the old "friend of a friend" source which gain traction among the expat community, but you need just to find out for yourself, really.
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So people still have the right to vote over naturalization in CH? Because I was not sure...

It's embarrasing if they vote like that
As with many things here it depends where you live.

I'm sure there are still some places where the local witches gather around their cauldron and vote on whether to allow the foreigner into the club and it's more likely to be in Grisons than in Zurich I'd say.*


*In reality I don't think there are actually many places where the locals actually get to vote as such but there may be a communal committee who discuss the applications.
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Quite clear here

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...uergerung.html

Federal, cantonal, communal all get their say. And that won't change under the new law.
I have never seen my Swiss boyfriend recieve leaflets of new "wanting-to-be-Swiss-people" to vote on. I had the impression that only in special occations, like of the Dutch clown lady in Aargau, some communal people protest against a green light from the canton to naturalize the person (?) or something & demand for the person's naturalization process to be stopped, which it eventually will probably.

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I know it's gradually being abolished but, like St2lemans says, call your local gemeinde. You won't know until you find out from the horse's mouth.

I think there are a lot of juicy urban myths which are heard from the old "friend of a friend" source which gain traction among the expat community, but you need just to find out for yourself, really.
Thank you, I'll call them about that.

But I still hope some members in GR have experience with this. If Bündner people are as conservative and closed against foreigners as people in Schwyz (generally speaking), if the process is faster than they are in Geneva (where it's slow), if it's expensive etc. Because that I won't ask my commune.

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That reminds me, I have to fill out our voting forms tonight!

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I have never seen my Swiss boyfriend recieve leaflets of new "wanting-to-be-Swiss-people" to vote on.
Only people who are citizens of the town in question, and NOT just residents of the town, get to vote.

For example, my wife is a citizen of someplace in the Zurioberland, where she's never been, plus a citizen of my place, 15km from hers, but in canton SG, whe she's also never been, thus neither of us are eligible to vote on such matters in the town we actually live in.

Got it?

And even if it's not a town-wide vote, there will be a vote, perhaps of the town legislature or other group, to decide.

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Only people who are citizens of the town in question, and NOT just residents of the town, get to vote.

For example, my wife is a citizen of someplace in the Zurioberland, where she's never been, plus a citizen of my place, 15km from hers, but in canton SG, whe she's also never been, thus neither of us are eligible to vote on such matters in the town we actually live in.

Got it?

And even if it's not a town-wide vote, there will be a vote, perhaps of the town legislature or other group, to decide.

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A town legislature = a city council?
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A town legislature = a city council?
Or village, depends on whether it's a village or a city (towns don't actually exist in Switzerland).

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Only people who are citizens of the town in question, and NOT just residents of the town, get to vote.
And even if it's not a town-wide vote, there will be a vote, perhaps of the town legislature or other group, to decide.
Tom
Before a new list of wannabe Swiss comes up at our parish council meeting, the same list is published in the local paper with a sort of 'if anyone knows any cause or just impediment... speak now...' and I don't think this is limited to 'citizens of this town'. It is not a vote but a chance to put a spanner in the works if one's neighbour overstays her appointed time in the laundry too often. ;-)

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