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I have been married to my swiss wife for coming up on 5 year 2018 April and about to have my 4th year B permit renewed in the next couple of weeks May 2017.

My question to everyone is i know i comply with all the rules apart from one, i don't speak german or any of the languages here in Switzerland due to constantly being out of the country a lot for work and never really got the time to learn the language. I live in canton SO and i heard they are bastards to deal with. Does anyone know if you need to be able to speak the language or do a language test to claim citizenship before its given.

Thanking you guys in advance.

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Old 07.05.2017, 04:01
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Re: Swiss Citizenship - do i need to do a language speaking test

The decision rests with the federal authorities alone, but the kanton and the community can object...

There was no language exam in my time, but there is a requirement to be integrated. And if you don't speak the language and are out of the country for a lot of the time that may be an issue. Are you a member of any local clubs or societies? Can you provide two local references for the application?

I did one local interview at the police station to confirm the contents of the forms. But since I knew the two police officers on duty that day, it was just a coffee, a quick flick through the forms and then the usual village chitchat stuff and I was on my way.
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My question to everyone is i know i comply with all the rules apart from one, i don't speak german or any of the languages here in Switzerland due to constantly being out of the country a lot for work and never really got the time to learn the language. I live in canton SO and i heard they are bastards to deal with. Does anyone know if you need to be able to speak the language or do a language test to claim citizenship before its given.

Thanking you guys in advance.

gavin
Those bastards will be your country men/women :-)

A friend of mine did the facilitated naturalization and had an interview in German.
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Old 07.05.2017, 08:35
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hey guys,
i am quite new to the community here and i have a question and could not find a way to post it as a new tread. I have been married to my swiss wife for coming up on 5 year 2018 April and about to have my 4th year B permit renewed.

I would like to apply for swiss citizenship next year July 2018 when i would have lived here for 5 years and also be able to apply under the naturalised citizenship process. My question to everyone is i comply with all the rules apart from one, i don't speak german or any of the languages here in switzerland. does anyone know if you need to be able to speak the language to claim citizenship here.

Thanking you guys in advance.

gavin
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hey guys,
i am quite new to the community here and i have a question and could not find a way to post it as a new tread. I have been married to my swiss wife for coming up on 5 year 2018 April and about to have my 4th year B permit renewed.

I would like to apply for swiss citizenship next year July 2018 when i would have lived here for 5 years and also be able to apply under the naturalised citizenship process. My question to everyone is i comply with all the rules apart from one, i don't speak german or any of the languages here in switzerland. does anyone know if you need to be able to speak the language to claim citizenship here.

Thanking you guys in advance.

gavin

After 4 years you don't speak the language and you feel you should get a Swiss passport to show you're integrated......
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hey guys,
i am quite new to the community here and i have a question and could not find a way to post it as a new tread. I have been married to my swiss wife for coming up on 5 year 2018 April and about to have my 4th year B permit renewed.

As this is post January 1st 2018 the new law and ordinance apply.

By Art. 20 of the new law and Art. 6 of the new ordinance you must have level B1 spoken and level A2 written of any official Swiss language.

Law: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/federal-.../2014/5133.pdf
Ordinance: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/official.../2016/2577.pdf
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Old 07.05.2017, 12:58
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Re: Citizenship requires uninterrupted residence?

Gavin, after 4 years here you are not integrating. Why should you be made a Swiss national when you cannot talk to a Swiss person?
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Re: Citizenship requires uninterrupted residence?

Alas, while in the past there was no language requirement, next year there will be.

However, the requirement is for ANY national language, not necessarily that of where you live, which makes sense as you normally don't get citizenship where you live for facillitated naturalisation.

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Old 07.05.2017, 18:09
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Those bastards will be your country men/women :-)
Right??? These types of threads tend to get my hackles up.

OP your entitled attitude is off-putting. You need to approach this from the perspective of what YOU have to offer Switzerland, not what it has to offer you. Whether you intend to or not, your post gives the impression you only married your wife for the passport, and you don't really give a sh*t about the Swiss or Switzerland. That will come through in any interview.

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Alas, while in the past there was no language requirement, next year there will be.

However, the requirement is for ANY language...
I don't think it's ANY language, I think it's any national language (German, French, Italian, Rumantsch). English isn't going to cut it, and I can't see the authorities conducting interviews in hundreds of languages.

Gavin - Expect your interview will be in German. Start learning now. You don't need to be fluent but you should be able to say a bit about your life, your marriage, your job, and most importantly - why you want to become Swiss.
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Gavin - Expect your interview will be in German. Start learning now. You don't need to be fluent but you should be able to say a bit about your life, your marriage, your job, and most importantly - why you want to become Swiss.
Having two local references and a club membership or two would not go a miss either.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship - do i need to do a language speaking test

Even after being married to a Swiss for 40+ years (46 years now) - OH had to do the interview in French, and was asked which school he has attended and what level he got. He explained, in French, that he never went to French classes, as he learnt with all our family and friends, the local ski club and myself for a very very long time. She laughed and said he had done very well and his French was excellent. And he had several references from all over Switzerland, very different people too.

She was more than happy to agree he was well integrated. She was also very pleased to know that we were house owners and had a decent income- so were not likely to become a burden.

Why 'alas' st2Lemans- makes total sense surely. to be able to communicate with local people, and also be in a better position to be employed, and become re-employed if job is lost.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship - do i need to do a language speaking test

So they're bastards huh?

That's too bad man.

But maybe they can make an exception for you.

I mean it's natural that you don't speak German since you're always out of the country.

Apply anyway then you can see what happens.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship - do i need to do a language speaking test

@Jim2007 is correct, for facilitated naturalisation like yours it will be necessary to demonstrate integration. If you don't speak the local language of your canton, I am certain that will be looked upon negatively, regardless of the justification


As others have pointed out, you will be interviewed in the local language of the canton so it has to be conversational, at a minimum. And not simply hello & how are you - they will ask you about your life, your education and reasons for wanting to immigrate
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...and reasons for wanting to immigrate naturalise
FTFY. I'm not a citizen, but I'm definitely an immigrant.

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Gavin, after 4 years here you are not integrating....
Marriage to a Swiss citizen is surely evidence of some very close integration - especially if there are any kids.

I know for sure in some less rural communities or even some Kantons all they care is that your are not "ghettoised" - i.e. you speak German to a reasonable level, as others have said. You use local shops and services, just as a citizen would, that you pay your taxes, are law abiding and agree with the general principles of Switzerland as a democratic society.
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Marriage to a Swiss citizen is surely evidence of some very close integration - especially if there are any kids.
Evidence of strong ties yes, of being integrated no.
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Evidence of strong ties yes, of being integrated no.
It was an attempt at humour., hence the grinning smiley,. The idea was that it's more than likely that he integrates regularly with his (Swiss) wife.
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It was an attempt at humour., hence the grinning smiley,. The idea was that it's more than likely that he integrates regularly with his (Swiss) wife.

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Evidence of strong ties yes, of being integrated no.
Isn't it in the countries interest to keep Swiss children with both their parents? With the father becoming a Swiss citizen the children's futures can only be improved, so I think it should be encouraged and not dissuaded. To be honest, I thought this was the point of "facilitated" naturalisation existing.

The OP didn't mention children, so in this particular case it probably isn't "yet" relevant, but I think some things are more important to us all than exactly how good someones language skills are or which clubs they belong to.
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Isn't it in the countries interest to keep Swiss children with both their parents? With the father becoming a Swiss citizen the children's futures can only be improved, so I think it should be encouraged and not dissuaded. To be honest, I thought this was the point of "facilitated" naturalisation existing.

The OP didn't mention children, so in this particular case it probably isn't "yet" relevant, but I think some things are more important to us all than exactly how good someones language skills are or which clubs they belong to.

Not necessarily, one can live here perfectly happy with a C permit and take good care of the kiddies.


Also, the procedure can be reversed if the marriage was a scam
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they will ask you about your life, your education and reasons for wanting to immigrate
This isn't exactly true, although every Canton/gemeinde does it differently it seems. I had the police turn up to my house and ask me questions, but they didn't care about my life, education or why I wanted to migrate. With facilitated naturalisation the reason should already be blindingly obvious, even more so when your kids are having breakfast while listening to the conversation

But yes, the conversation was in Swiss German, and I have no idea how bad it would have been if I had communicated in English.
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