Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Permits/visas/government  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15.05.2017, 13:43
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
anneo has no particular reputation at present
UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Hi,

I am going to start a job in Switzerland and HR asked me to provide some equivalent of a Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites). I currently live in UK, but I have been here for less than a year, so I don't know the UK system that well either.

Does anyone know what would be a UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites) recognised in Switzerland?

Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 15.05.2017, 13:45
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,115
Groaned at 392 Times in 297 Posts
Thanked 18,942 Times in 10,202 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Quote:
View Post
Hi,

I am going to start a job in Switzerland and HR asked me to provide some equivalent of a Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites). I currently live in UK, but I have been here for less than a year, so I don't know the UK system that well either.

Does anyone know what would be a UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites) recognised in Switzerland?

Thanks!
There is nothing, you can get one in Switzerland the day after you arrive
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 15.05.2017, 14:14
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
anneo has no particular reputation at present
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

That doesn't sound encouraging...The company wants Betreibungsauskunft to send me the contract and without the contract I can't arrive to Switzerland to get Betreibungsauskunft :-(
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 15.05.2017, 14:15
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,115
Groaned at 392 Times in 297 Posts
Thanked 18,942 Times in 10,202 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Quote:
View Post
That doesn't sound encouraging...The company wants Betreibungsauskunft to send me the contract and without the contract I can't arrive to Switzerland to get Betreibungsauskunft :-(
Just tell them it does not exist, ask if a bankers reference would help.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15.05.2017, 17:03
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 21,493
Groaned at 372 Times in 287 Posts
Thanked 16,325 Times in 9,259 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Quote:
View Post
That doesn't sound encouraging...The company wants Betreibungsauskunft to send me the contract and without the contract I can't arrive to Switzerland to get Betreibungsauskunft :-(
Sorry, but you're a long way of that stage of things. The employer has to send you an employment contract which you need to sign and return to them because they then have to send it to the Swiss cantonal and federal authorities to get permission to hire you as a non-EU national. They have to prove they can't find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Only if the Swiss authorities approve a permit for you will you be hired. I can't see that an attestation de poursuites would be needed at this stage of the hiring process, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to have one if such a thing existed. Unfortunately, in the UK it doesn't.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15.05.2017, 18:01
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
anneo has no particular reputation at present
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Thank you very much for your answers!

I actually already know well the Swiss procedure itself (my previous job was in Switzerland), but it's the first time I am applying for a job in Switzerland from UK.

My (hopefully) future Swiss employer would like to have (among other documents) some prove that I don't have debts in UK before even starting the whole procedure.

I don't know UK that well and my UK colleagues don't know what a Betreibungsauskunft is. That's why I was wondering if anyone on the Englishforum had a similar situation.

I will see if Swiss could be happy with a bankers reference or a credit check report.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 15.05.2017, 18:11
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 12,293
Groaned at 97 Times in 86 Posts
Thanked 18,782 Times in 8,330 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Quote:
View Post
My (hopefully) future Swiss employer would like to have (among other documents) some prove that I don't have debts in UK before even starting the whole procedure.
Why would your employer need this (Security, Casino, or Banking ?)

Look up your name in the IIR, print it out and show them you are not listed. They may as well research themselves.
https://www.insolvencydirect.bis.gov.uk/eiir/
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 15.05.2017, 18:13
John_H's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Up above Nyon
Posts: 3,796
Groaned at 106 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 4,951 Times in 1,938 Posts
John_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

I work for a UK financial institution here in CH..

They check our CH financial status every so often but never country of origin status.

Seems like an unusual requirement to me. Status in one place doesn't really affect the other, does it?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 15.05.2017, 18:42
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

If you have a good credit rating you should be fine shouldn't you? Maybe contact UK Citizens Advice Bureau to see if ghey know if it's possible (and how )to get proof of no CCJs . They're a small claims thing, right?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 15.05.2017, 19:16
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,115
Groaned at 392 Times in 297 Posts
Thanked 18,942 Times in 10,202 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Quote:
If you have a good credit rating you should be fine shouldn't you? Maybe contact UK Citizens Advice Bureau to see if ghey know if it's possible (and how )to get proof of no CCJs . They're a small claims thing, right?
A UK credit report is available from Experian, free if cancelled within first month. It depends on how good the OP's score is!
Bizarrely mine is Excellent 987 (max 999). I have not been on the UK electoral roll or lived in the UK for over 20 years, however I do have UK credit cards from the 1979 & 1983.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 15.05.2017, 20:18
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 362
Groaned at 7 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 347 Times in 164 Posts
chomp has earned the respect of manychomp has earned the respect of manychomp has earned the respect of many
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Maybe this?

https://www.acro.police.uk/police_certificates.aspx
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 15.05.2017, 21:19
John_H's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Up above Nyon
Posts: 3,796
Groaned at 106 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 4,951 Times in 1,938 Posts
John_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Quote:
View Post
Why would your employer need this (Security, Casino, or Banking ?)

Look up your name in the IIR, print it out and show them you are not listed. They may as well research themselves.
https://www.insolvencydirect.bis.gov.uk/eiir/
This is all that employers in the financial sector should care about..
The retail type credit score is open to interpretation, you could be filthy rich but have a crappy score because you were late with payments for example, doesn't mean you are insolvent.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 15.05.2017, 21:41
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,115
Groaned at 392 Times in 297 Posts
Thanked 18,942 Times in 10,202 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Quote:
View Post
This is all that employers in the financial sector should care about..
The retail type credit score is open to interpretation, you could be filthy rich but have a crappy score because you were late with payments for example, doesn't mean you are insolvent.
The insolvency list is for people who are undischarged bankrupt or in an IVA which has not been concluded in the last 3 months. I checked on someone who did an IVA 3 months ago with a cash settlement & they don't appear, on the list really weird their creditors lost over £20,000 in the reorganisation. Their credit score would be pants & the IVA would show.
https://www.acro.police.uk/police_certificates.aspx

Criminal record, nothing to do with unpaid debts.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 15.05.2017, 21:53
John_H's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Up above Nyon
Posts: 3,796
Groaned at 106 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 4,951 Times in 1,938 Posts
John_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK equivalent of Betreibungsauskunft (attestation de l’office des poursuites)?

Quote:
View Post
The insolvency list is for people who are undischarged bankrupt or in an IVA which has not been concluded in the last 3 months. I checked on someone who did an IVA 3 months ago with a cash settlement & they don't appear, on the list really weird their creditors lost over £20,000 in the reorganisation. Their credit score would be pants & the IVA would show.
https://www.acro.police.uk/police_certificates.aspx

Criminal record, nothing to do with unpaid debts.
I know, it's not perfect for sure.. But it all depends on what the employer wants this for I guess and what exactly they want to see.. I can't see the value of a retail credit score in the UK to a Swiss employer - unless the job is something like a teacher in best financial practices, i dunno, something like that..

My credit score is likely crap since i haven't lived there in near five years. I've missed payments on things because I thought my letting agent was dealing with it but paid days later once i knew, I moved a couple of times before I came here, no income in the UK.. etc etc..
But then again, the queen of England probably has a crap credit score too because she's never had a credit card or a loan and doesn't appear on the electoral register (i made the last bit up)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
betreibungsauskunft, l’office des poursuites




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
attestation de départ and proof of taxes oferco Permits/visas/government 5 22.02.2015 06:30
Office des Poursuites : Between different cantons? (Vaud, Geneva?) dan2k3k4 Finance/banking/taxation 9 07.02.2013 15:37
What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour?? nirak Permits/visas/government 14 21.01.2011 18:41
Small Claims in Geneva ? Office des Poursuites darcey Business & entrepreneur 3 09.12.2010 08:03
Office des Poursuites: Commandement de Payer DFH Other/general 7 28.05.2008 12:42


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:10.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0