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Have I got the wrong permit?

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I am a trailing spouse and have been long stay-visiting my partner in CH since my dependant B permit was granted on 1 Nov 2015. Given my current circumstances I'm wondering if we were wrongly advised initially for me to go for a B permit.

I don't work so am lucky enough to be able to go back and forth freely between home and CH.
On average I have been spending the majority of my time in the UK in any 12 month period but certainly visiting CH for more than the 90 days allowed per year on an annually granted L permit. (Approx 7 months in the UK and 5 months in CH)

My partner started work in CH contracting for a large multinational Company in July 2015 and has had employment contract extensions since then. He is currently contracted to December 2017. And it will probably continue if he wants it to and Swiss authorities allowing!

I have no wish to work in CH but because I'm here more than 90 days in any year, compounded by the fact that I drive my UK plated car around CH and obviously back and forth, country to country, is there a different permit that would be more applicable to my situation?

The customs office granted me a 15.30 until Nov 2017 so no problem there with the car and I know if I furnish the customs office later in the year with proof of my ongoing UK residency that they will extend the 15.30 permission for another 2 years.

But separately to this, is a current problem for the Schwyz kantonal licensing office. Because I have a long time B permit, even though I'm not in CH over the majority of the year. My partner does not drive the car in Switzerland, as per their rules & regs.

And lastly, I apologise for posting yet another thread on permits and somewhat tangled up with cars too.
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Old 17.05.2017, 21:00
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Re: Have I got the wrong permit?

If your husband has a B permit, then that's what you get. It doesn't matter if you plan to work or not. Nor could you apply for a different type of permit if one existed - which it doesn't. Your permit is dependent on his.

As for the car I think as a resident of Switzerland you can drive it here for a year before you have to get the plates changed. This is probably why the licencing office is chasing you. Nor would you be able to extend the 15.30.

Why are you flitting between 2 countries? Move here permanently rather than this constant shifting back and forth. Because another condition of keeping your permit here is that you spend the majority of your time here - which currently you're not. 183 days a year is the requirement. Also that you live in the same place as your husband. Yes I know that you're doing that while you're here, but the system isn't designed for people hopping between countries like you're doing.

Do you have Swiss health insurance? You should as a resident as your UK EHIC doesn't cover you here.

Alternatively, as you're an EU national (for the time being at least) deregister from here and simply visit hubby whenever you feel like it - as a tourist who doesn't have a permit. You can stay for up to 3 months at a time. Theoretically you should then stay out for another 3 months, but it's difficult to prove that since EU passports aren't stamped with entry/exit dates.
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Re: Have I got the wrong permit?

Yes, I have health insurance for CH. Thank you very much for all that info. Just what I needed.
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Re: Have I got the wrong permit?

If you are here only 90 day per 6 months you may not need a permit at all. In which case you can keep your car U.K. registered and stop paying Swiss health insurance.

How the UK would deal with your health insurance, I don't know.
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Re: Have I got the wrong permit?

Same way as any other British tourist in Switzerland. Emergency cover only with an EHIC card.
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Same way as any other British tourist in Switzerland. Emergency cover only with an EHIC card.
I meant in the U.K.
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I meant in the U.K.
UK residents get free healthcare on demand.
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UK residents get free healthcare on demand.
Even if they don't work or the family member who does work doesn't pay contributions in county?
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Old 17.05.2017, 23:27
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Even if they don't work or the family member who does work doesn't pay contributions in county?
Just having a heart beat is enough, they never check if your actually resident. If you have even a basic understanding of English & can make up an address they will treat you no questions asked.
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Just having a heart beat is enough, they never check if your actually resident. If you have even a basic understanding of English & can make up an address they will treat you no questions asked.
So we can cancel the HI and tell the hospital we are from Birmingham then
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So we can cancel the HI and tell the hospital we are from Birmingham then
Just find any address from the phone book
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Even if they don't work or the family member who does work doesn't pay contributions in county?
Yes.

"Provision of free NHS treatment is on the basis of being ordinarily resident and is not dependent upon nationality, payment of UK taxes, national insurance (NI) contributions, being registered with a GP, having an NHS number or owning property in the UK. Ordinarily resident means, broadly speaking, living in the UK on a lawful and properly settled basis for the time being."

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Just having a heart beat is enough, they never check if your actually resident. If you have even a basic understanding of English & can make up an address they will treat you no questions asked.
Unfortunately, true FMF. But they are beginning to tighten up on the "tourist/non-resident health" thing.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-hospital-care

Most of the problem is they're not geared up to deal with tourists/non-residents. When the OH had to go to the hospital there a few years ago he tried to present his Swiss EHIC card, but they really didn't want to know at A&E reception. It took 10 days for someone to eventually come and see him and give him the forms he needed to fill in. Just lucky (or not) that he was still in the hospital, otherwise they'd have missed out on claiming back his costs from our Swiss insurer. It could easily be fixed if everyone lawfully living in the UK was issued with an NHS card of some kind like the ones we get here that they would then have to present to their doctor or the hospital when seeking treatment. But that would also mean actually registering lawful residents. Until the government actually bites the bullet and takes such steps the system will always be open to abuse.
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