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Swiss Passport for Non-EU

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I have heard that for kids Swiss passport application eligibility comes much faster..Ie, their years of stay in swiss will be counted as 2 years after every year they stay after 8 years of age.

Ie, in my case my son is here since 2011 , was 6 years of age.
So I would imagine: his stay will be counted as :
at age 7 years : swiss stay 1 year
at age 8 years : swiss stay 2 year
at age 9 years : swiss stay 4 year (counting 2 years for every year)
at age 10 years : swiss stay 6 years
at age 11 years : swiss stay 8 year
at age 12 years : swiss stay 10 year (2017)

So, he completes 10 years in swiss,, I am wondering if he is eligible to apply for swiss passport now?
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

The current law for ordinary naturalization requires 12 years of residence in Switzerland. There is a "youth bonus" where years between 10 and 20 years old count double. See this Ct. Zurich information sheet:

http://www.gaz.zh.ch/internet/justiz.../merkblatt.pdf

My calculation for your child is:
6 years old: 0.5 <= inserted 1/2 year, please correct
7 - 9 years old: 3
10 - 12 years old: 3 x 2 "youth bonus" = 6
Total: 9.5 years
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Old 20.05.2017, 12:26
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

Lots more info here,
https://www.englishforum.ch/search2....naturalization
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Old 20.05.2017, 12:32
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

The current law is double from age 10, not age 8, and the applicant has to be here for 12 years not 10.

So no, he's not eligible yet but may be next year thanks to the law change, assuming he meets the rest of the requirements.

The law changes in 2018, which is when the double-counting from age 8 starts, and the requirement drops to 10 years in Switzerland (including 3 of the most recent 5 years).

The new law also requires a C permit first as well as language requirements.

Naturalization has been discussed to death here, try the search function for dozens of threads with more information
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

Great ! Thanks,,, yes it make sense.... I hope this is true across all giemande within zurich...

And based on that calculation.. by this year end my son will be 10 years in swiss... so he still have to wait for another year to apply for swiss passport? (making it 12 years?)

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The current law for ordinary naturalization requires 12 years of residence in Switzerland. There is a "youth bonus" where years between 10 and 20 years old count double. See this Ct. Zurich information sheet:

http://www.gaz.zh.ch/internet/justiz.../merkblatt.pdf

My calculation for your child is:
6 years old: 0.5 <= inserted 1/2 year, please correct
7 - 9 years old: 3
10 - 12 years old: 3 x 2 "youth bonus" = 6
Total: 9.5 years
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Old 20.05.2017, 13:17
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Great ! Thanks,,, yes it make sense.... I hope this is true across all giemande within zurich...

And based on that calculation.. by this year end my son will be 10 years in swiss... so he still have to wait for another year to apply for swiss passport? (making it 12 years?)
1,25 years or something like that. 1 year counts double and that brings you at 11,5
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The current law is double from age 10, not age 8, and the applicant has to be here for 12 years not 10.


The new law also requires a C permit first as well as language requirements.
In Canton Zurich,, language requirement today is B1, compared to other cantons where it is A2 level. Any change to this as per 2018 law?
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Great ! Thanks,,, yes it make sense.... I hope this is true across all giemande within zurich...

And based on that calculation.. by this year end my son will be 10 years in swiss... so he still have to wait for another year to apply for swiss passport? (making it 12 years?)
Both Kanton and Gemeinde can (many Gemeinde do) have additional requirements. I think Dübendorf requires residence during the last two years, look it up on duebendorf.ch
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Old 22.05.2017, 09:48
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

Im Ausland geborene Ausländer die nicht zwischen 16 und 25 Jahre alt sind, müssen ausserdem vor Einreichung des Einbürgerungsdossiers noch die vom Stadtrat festgesetzten Standortbestimmungstests in Deutsch und Staatskunde bei den Weiterbildungskursen Dübendorf (WBK) absolvieren.


You also need to do a 2 tests (if not aged between 16 and 25) and have lived in Dübi for the last 2 years.
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

If he doesn't have a C permit the question is moot. Under the new law only C permit holders can apply for citizenship.
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If he doesn't have a C permit the question is moot. Under the new law only C permit holders can apply for citizenship.
So if he eligible now, can he apply on B permit? Why to wait till the new law from 2018?

My sons Date of birth : 11 may 2005. he came here in swiss on Feb 28th 2011.

HE HAS B PERMIT
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

Because under the current law the residency requirement is 12 years, not 10.
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

YES... with current youth bonus... he will be 12 yrs before next year... so with B permit can he apply?
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YES... with current youth bonus... he will be 12 yrs before next year... so with B permit can he apply?
Have you calculated by which date exactly the 12 years will have been accrued?
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YES... with current youth bonus... he will be 12 yrs before next year... so with B permit can he apply?
Frankly I don't see how that can be, even using your calculations you say he will only have 10 years this year, but it's a moot point because again you calculated using the new rules, not the current ones. This has already been pointed out several times.

Under current law the years between 10 and 20 are counted double. Under the new law the years between 8 and 18 will count double. Mullhollander's calculations are correct, your son has 9.5 years residency so doesn't qualify under the current leglisation. In 2018 he will gain the 10 years residency needed, but must have a C permit to be able to apply for naturalisation as B permit holders will no longer to able to apply for citizenship.
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Re: Swiss Passport for Non-EU

Another thought on this. Presumably once the child gains the 10 years residency next year he can apply for a C permit. But isn't there something in the new rules on getting a C that other family members' integration is also going to be taken into account? If so, with the son applying for a C would the parents also need to meet a set criteria for the application to be successful?

MDCP, once your son has a C permit he can then apply for naturalisation. There's no need to wait a certain amount of time after getting it as far as I'm aware.
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isn't there something in the new rules on getting a C that other family members' integration is also going to be taken into account? If so, with the son applying for a C would the parents also need to meet a set criteria for the application to be successful?
That would need to be looked at.
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