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C permit for a child of Swiss national

Hello everybody.

New to this forum. Searched this very section, but did not find any answer to what I would like to ask. May be I was just unfortunate in my search, then please point me to the correct thread or may be someone has an experience and will give me answers.

I am Swiss national, officially living in France. My child, who is neither EU citizen, nor Swiss, is legally living with me and graduating from French school aiming to continue her education in Geneva university. If he will be accepted in the unige, then he will get B permit, since he will live in geneva area.

My question is:

Will my nationality help somehow to obtain C permit If I will continue living in France?

If I will announce my return and live in Switzerland before his 21st birthday will this help to obtain C permit for him?

Talked to OCP and they say one needs 10 year with B permit to apply for C permit. Is that true? Or they just say this to get rid of you?

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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

If you are Swiss, why isn't your child?

Anyway, it shouldn't change anything regarding permits if you don't live in Switzerland.

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If you are Swiss, why isn't your child?

Anyway, it shouldn't change anything regarding permits if you don't live in Switzerland.
Is that really so important?

There is another question as well, if I will return to Switzerland before my child 21-st birthday, then?

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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

Where you live has nothing to do with whether your child is Swiss or not.

However, if you don't live in Switzerland, it is no help for a permit.

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Is that really so important?
Yes. That, in fact, is the whole point. Swiss citizenship is passed on through the blood line. Therefore, the children of Swiss people are Swiss, as long as they are registered.
If you are Swiss and your child is registered as Swiss, then he or she will not ever need a permit to live in Switzerland, but will be able to do so freely.
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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

Ok, I am naturalized Swiss, at the time I got Swiss passport, I was divorced with the mom of my kids and now I am bringing them to live with me. That is why kids does not have Swiss nationality
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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

Then no permits unless they get them on their own or you move to Switzerland and bring them with you.

Whether they can get a C permit in 10 years or less depends on a lot of things. Some non-EU nationals like Americans, Canadians, etc, can apply for a C permit early after 5 years residency, providing they fulfill the other requirements such as being employed here, speak a Swiss language, etc. Other non-EU nationals have to wait 10 years unless they can also meet the requirements mentioned above to apply under VINTA.

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...ugh-vinta.html

If you move here then you'll need to meet similar conditions to those laid out for EU/EFTA nationals in that you earn enough to support everyone and your accommodation is big enough.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta/

This will only get them B permits however. To gain a C they will have to be pretty well integrated into Swiss life, speak a Swiss language, etc, as the Swiss government are looking to tighten the rules about getting and keeping all types of Swiss permits.
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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

Medea Fleecestealer Thanks for your answer. In fact first definite answer. If I move to Switzerland, I hope I will fulfil the requirements of accommodation and income. Concerning of integration of my kid, language is not a problem at all his French is excellent, hopefully will be student at Geneva university and will reside in canton Geneva with student B permit. Also before I divorced my ex we were living altogether in Switzerland, after divorce , when kids were minors, they were taken by mom in an another country. Now elder one is here (in nearby France) plan to bring younger one too.
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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

Well and good if he stays in the French speaking part of Switzerland. But what if he moves to Zurich in a few years' time? There, to get a C permit, he'll need to speak the official language of the canton which will be German. Something to bear in mind for the future.
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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

Yep, that is true. We have that in mind. BTW, I have seen here some cases about facilitated naturalization for descendants/children of Swiss nationals. I do not know how that will apply to my kids, but may be that will be an option too? If they will live in Switzerland, with Swiss dad and graduating from Swiss universities (close ties to Switzerland I believe).

Cases I am talking about which I saw here , on this forum, are, that some people got Swiss passports even residing abroad but having Swiss grand parents
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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

Why didn't they become Swiss when you did?

That's normally the way to do it.

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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

How old are your children. Can't you register them now as Swiss nationals.
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How old are your children. Can't you register them now as Swiss nationals.
Answer to both of your question. When I applied for citizenship, in the OCP they told me, if the kids are not living with me I should not put them in application. They were not. May be they lied , but that is what they told me. Now I can not I think, since neither OCP nor swiss consulate in Lyon did that. I mean I asked, but they say no, it to late
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When I applied for citizenship, in the OCP they told me, if the kids are not living with me I should not put them in application. They were not.
If they weren't living in Switzerland, then that actually does make sense.

If they were living in Switzerland but not with you, it makes less sense.

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Yep, that is true. We have that in mind. BTW, I have seen here some cases about facilitated naturalization for descendants/children of Swiss nationals. I do not know how that will apply to my kids, but may be that will be an option too? If they will live in Switzerland, with Swiss dad and graduating from Swiss universities (close ties to Switzerland I believe).

Cases I am talking about which I saw here , on this forum, are, that some people got Swiss passports even residing abroad but having Swiss grand parents
Unfortunately, not that I can see. The criteria for facilitated naturalisation are outlined here.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...uergerung.html

Article 31a seems to come closest, but your children haven't lived in Switzerland for 5 years so don't qualify.
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Re: C permit for a child of Swiss national

Para. 2.4 of this document might apply to your child's situation. Translation:

"2.4. In the case of a foreign child not included in the naturalization of a parent (e.g., because he lived abroad), a request can be made for facilitated naturalization before the 22nd year of age if he has lived in Switzerland for a total of five years, of which one year must be immediately before submission of the application. This is irrespective of whether the parent obtained Swiss citizenship through ordinary or facilitated naturalization or renaturalization. If the child is older than 22 years, he can - even if closely connected to Switzerland - naturalize only through the ordinary procedure."

https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/eda/de/...weizern_de.pdf

Keep in mind that this is current law. Many naturalization laws change effective 1.01.2018.
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If they weren't living in Switzerland, then that actually does make sense.

If they were living in Switzerland but not with you, it makes less sense.

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They were living in Switzerland with me before i got divorce. But after they were living in an another country, not EU.EFTA or whatever it is. So I could not include them in my naturalization

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Unfortunately, not that I can see. The criteria for facilitated naturalisation are outlined here.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...uergerung.html

Article 31a seems to come closest, but your children haven't lived in Switzerland for 5 years so don't qualify.
Well, then how the people manage to be naturalized even not living in Switzerland at all and just having Swiss ancestors? Here on the forum are few threads discussing that cases

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if he has lived in Switzerland for a total of five years, of which one year must be immediately before submission of the application.
May be I am asking to much, but does this means any 5 year and one year before submission of documents? The elder one was here with me from 1999 to 2007 with a little gap of 9 month and now will be

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May be I am asking to much, but does this means any 5 year and one year before submission of documents? The elder one was here with me from 1999 to 2007 with a little gap of 9 month and now will be
That's the way I read it. The child must live in CH for a total of five years including one year immediately prior to submission of the facilitated naturalization application.

Again, this is current naturalization law. Many naturalization laws change in 2018.
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Well, then how the people manage to be naturalized even not living in Switzerland at all and just having Swiss ancestors? Here on the forum are few threads discussing that cases
You are not a Swiss ancestor, you became Swiss after they were born.

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Well, then how the people manage to be naturalized even not living in Switzerland at all and just having Swiss ancestors? Here on the forum are few threads discussing that cases
Because their grandfather or grandmother (?) were Swiss, but their parents didn't get the citizenship for some reason or lost it when they married in the case of Swiss women living abroad marrying foreigners.

You must remember that Swiss naturalisation law has changed over the years. Although the current law was enacted in 1952, it has been amended over the years.

And also bear in mind that it's not just ancestry - there must also be close ties to Switzerland: relatives living here, many visits to the country, etc. So someone could have a Swiss grandparent, but if they have no relatives here, never visited, know nothing about the country, they won't be granted Swiss citizenship. Swiss citizenship isn't easily gained by anyone.
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