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Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Hi all

I am new here - I've done a search but can't quite find the answer to my issue, so hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.

I'm in discussions regarding a job for a multinational, based in Switzerland. I've not yet been offered the role, but it's looking promising.

Anyway, my family is not yet mobile, so my plan would be to "commute" to Switzerland on Monday and fly home to London on Thursday.

I'm not sure what my tax liabilities would be. Would I need to pay income tax in both Switzerland and in the UK?

If anyone has some experience of this, that'd be very helpful.

Thanks
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Where will you legally reside? Do you have a permit to live in CH?
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Yes. There's a double taxation treaty between the UK and Switzerland which may offset some of it.

There are several threads down in the Taxation/Finance section of the forum on the subject.

https://www.englishforum.ch/finance-...ss-income.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/finance-...ng-ch-tax.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/finance-...agreement.html
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Talk to a tax advisor - and as others have said, it will depend on where you actually reside. Possibly also where you get paid. I think.
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I'm not sure what my tax liabilities would be. Would I need to pay income tax in both Switzerland and in the UK?
Try to ensure that the offer includes tax advice as on the face of it, it looks like you will be consider to be a dual resident under extended criteria:
- Regularly visit the UK
- Family resident there
- Place of abode available to you when you do visit there.
- etc...

Basically what it means is that the UK and the Swiss tax authorities will have to agree how you will be taxed. So there could be a bit tax consulting needed, better have the employer on the hook for it.
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Try to ensure that the offer includes tax advice as on the face of it, it looks like you will be consider to be a dual resident under extended criteria:
- Regularly visit the UK
- Family resident there
- Place of abode available to you when you do visit there.
- etc...

Basically what it means is that the UK and the Swiss tax authorities will have to agree how you will be taxed. So there could be a bit tax consulting needed, better have the employer on the hook for it.
The Statutory definition of UK residence is the place to start, the OP will be definitely a UK resident as spending 204 nights in the UK.
Tax will be deducted at source & this will be credited against any UK liability.
A G permit is the way to go.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

I do exactly this, living in the UK, flying to Zurich on Sunday nights, back home again on Friday.

You will be tax resident in both countries. As previously mentioned, the Swiss will deduct at source. Then you complete the details on your UK tax returrn, including the amount of tax already paid, and HMRC take the difference.

In effect you pay roughly the same tax overall as if your salary was paid in the UK. So you miss out on any if those Low Tax Switzerland advantages. But on the upside, you get to keep your UK house...


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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Thanks for the very helpful replies. I'll have to see what happens next, but hopefully my prospective employer will provide at least some of the help I need...
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Some info here on Non‑Resident Taxpayers that might help:

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/da...s-29042014.pdf
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Hi guys, new here and 1-month since I started work in Switzerland. I'm finally starting to understand how taxes work for UK resident, working in Switzerland with G Permit.

The Swiss Tax office and ExpactTax were super fast to clarify this to me and the latter to provide me with documentation on the same. I will basically pay Swiss Tax for all the work that I physically carry on from the Basel HQ, and will be credit in the UK via Assessment for days I work from home in London.

Now that this is sorted... would any of you have an UK Accountant to recommend to me who understands all of the above and that could do my UK Assessment?

Maybe @fatmanfilms and @eairicbloodaxe as it sounds like we are in the same situation
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Hi guys, new here and 1-month since I started work in Switzerland. I'm finally starting to understand how taxes work for UK resident, working in Switzerland with G Permit.

The Swiss Tax office and ExpactTax were super fast to clarify this to me and the latter to provide me with documentation on the same. I will basically pay Swiss Tax for all the work that I physically carry on from the Basel HQ, and will be credit in the UK via Assessment for days I work from home in London.

Now that this is sorted... would any of you have an UK Accountant to recommend to me who understands all of the above and that could do my UK Assessment?

Maybe @fatmanfilms and @eairicbloodaxe as it sounds like we are in the same situation
Any UK accountant should be able to handle this, you are UK resident for tax purposes but have foreign income which has had Swiss tax deducted. Unfortunately in CH all your social costs are tax deductible along with an allowance for traveling to work & work lunches so the UK tax to pay will may be shockingly high. (The deductions won't be obvious on source tax but probably amount to 15,000 CHF if you were doing a Swiss tax return)

As the UK has a personal allowance it may not be as bad as I was thinking, as it's quite close to the standard deductions.
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Thank you so much for the clarifications and sorry I'm totally slow on this tax thing, it's all new to me.

Does this mean that if work pays for my flights, the UK will someone consider that my taxable wage?

I don't think I will have issues with lunch as I pay out of my pocket... or are you saying that I should keep my CH lunch/dinner receipts so I can deduct these as expenses?

Thank you again, Laura
In the UK travel from home to work is not tax deductible, so in theory the flights are taxable. You don't need lunch receipts as there is no UK deduction. In CH there is a standard deduction for lunch every day. If you are on normal Swiss tax, your taxable salary is your salary net of income tax not your gross salary as in the UK.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Thank you again. You've been extremely helpful
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Hi guys, new here and 1-month since I started work in Switzerland. I'm finally starting to understand how taxes work for UK resident, working in Switzerland with G Permit.

The Swiss Tax office and ExpactTax were super fast to clarify this to me and the latter to provide me with documentation on the same. I will basically pay Swiss Tax for all the work that I physically carry on from the Basel HQ, and will be credit in the UK via Assessment for days I work from home in London.

Now that this is sorted... would any of you have an UK Accountant to recommend to me who understands all of the above and that could do my UK Assessment?

Maybe @fatmanfilms and @eairicbloodaxe as it sounds like we are in the same situation

Essentially you file a UK tax return putting in your entire income then deduct the tax you've paid in Switzerland from the UK tax liability (as long as it's not more than you would have paid in the UK). All the info is available online and you can do the return online. You can do it yourself or any personal tax accountant *should* be able to do it.
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Essentially you file a UK tax return putting in your entire income then deduct the tax you've paid in Switzerland from the UK tax liability (as long as it's not more than you would have paid in the UK). All the info is available online and you can do the return online. You can do it yourself or any personal tax accountant *should* be able to do it.
Thank you, yes. I started the registration process. I never had to do tax/self-assessment by myself and only the thought of this makes me so nervous... so I'd rather someone doing on my behalf so I know that they have more chances to get it right

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Unfortunately in CH all your social costs are tax deductible along with an allowance for traveling to work & work lunches
Thank you so much for the clarifications and sorry I'm totally slow on this tax thing, it's all new to me.

Does this mean that if work pays for my flights, the UK will someone consider that my taxable wage?

I don't think I will have issues with lunch as I pay out of my pocket... or are you saying that I should keep my CH lunch/dinner receipts so I can deduct these as expenses?

Thank you again, Laura

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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Dear All,


I am new to this site and I am considering taking up a position in Switzerland. Following this thread I would be living in the UK and working in Switzerland up to 3 days per week.


I wonder whether anybody could please advise on the Social Security situation and the impact of the number of days worked between UK and Switzerland in terms of payments made in UK or payments in Switzerland?


I have been advised by the Company that one needs to work 4 days in Switzerland due to Social Security reasons but I am unclear as to whether this is a legal obligation.


In addition if anybody can advise on permits and whether you can work under a G permit if living in the UK then your advice would be greatly appreciated? I have been told you have to be located in a bordering country to get a G permit.


Any advice on these topics would be very gratefully received as I am round in circles!


Thank you
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Dear All,


I am new to this site and I am considering taking up a position in Switzerland. Following this thread I would be living in the UK and working in Switzerland up to 3 days per week.


I wonder whether anybody could please advise on the Social Security situation and the impact of the number of days worked between UK and Switzerland in terms of payments made in UK or payments in Switzerland?


I have been advised by the Company that one needs to work 4 days in Switzerland due to Social Security reasons but I am unclear as to whether this is a legal obligation.


In addition if anybody can advise on permits and whether you can work under a G permit if living in the UK then your advice would be greatly appreciated? I have been told you have to be located in a bordering country to get a G permit.


Any advice on these topics would be very gratefully received as I am round in circles!


Thank you



All depends where you are paid, if you have a Swiss salary it may work but a UK salary in Switzerland certainly won't work
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Thank you both very much for your replies!

Re salary, it would be a Swiss salary
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Re: Work in Switzerland, but live in UK?

Welcome to the forum.

Don't know about the minimum days a week here, but as (currently) an EU national you can live anywhere in the EU and have a G permit.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...g_eu_efta.html

If however, the UK leaves the EU and its citizens become third country natonals then different rules would apply which means you'd need permanent residency in an EU country (minimum 5 years to get) and to live in a border zone for a minimum of 6 months to qualify.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...willigung.html
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Hi all

I am new here - I've done a search but can't quite find the answer to my issue, so hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.

I'm in discussions regarding a job for a multinational, based in Switzerland. I've not yet been offered the role, but it's looking promising.

Anyway, my family is not yet mobile, so my plan would be to "commute" to Switzerland on Monday and fly home to London on Thursday.

I'm not sure what my tax liabilities would be. Would I need to pay income tax in both Switzerland and in the UK?

If anyone has some experience of this, that'd be very helpful.

Thanks
Crazy idea. Either live here or live in UK. But not such a crazy commute. Think about your family
 

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