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Tomasdeleon 12.06.2017 13:38

Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Hi,

My situation is as follow:

For three years I hold a non-EU B permit to work at the University in Basel, and now I have received a job offer from the pharmaceutical industry in Zurrich.

Do you know if can I change my employer wit this non-EU B permit?

If yes,

Can I keep my residence in Basel and work in Zurich?

If not,

What ways I have to change employer? it is really impossible?


Thanks a lot for all the help

Medea Fleecestealer 12.06.2017 13:46

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
There has to be a REALLY good reason why the change should be allowed. Your propsective new employer will have to put their case to the Swiss authorities.

Tomasdeleon 12.06.2017 14:01

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Thank you for your comments, but what these reasons should be? this reasons should be declared by my potenial new employer, is it right? do you know some similar case?

Medea Fleecestealer 12.06.2017 14:14

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Pretty much the same as when you current employer hired you. Why they can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the job, why your qualifications/skills/experience are so much better than anyone else's, etc, etc. It's effectively a new application so they have to prove their case to be able to hire you. You can't just change jobs with a non-EU B permit unless it's an open one which is unlikely.

Tomasdeleon 12.06.2017 14:21

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Thanks a lot!

IamMG 12.06.2017 17:20

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Check your credit card sized residence permit for your permit type. Back side of card, you can see if your permit is tied to your current employer or if its open.

If open, you can change the employer and you just have to share your new work contract with your commune or cantonal office. You can continue to live in Basel and work in Zurich. Please note, you will pay your taxes as per rates at Basel.

If closed, your new employer has to apply for a permit for you and they will have to prove why you and not someone from CH or EU territory? People say getting permit for non-eu now a days has become tough.

In any case, do not resign from your current job till you have clear picture of your permit and double check with Basel and Zurich cantonal office what is your situation and the process.

Tomasdeleon 12.06.2017 19:24

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
MG, great info in you post, thanks. But checking the residence card there is not description about my issue, only date of birth, nationality, Anmerkungen: where ZEMIS is and postdoc as a description of my job.
How I can exactly know if I can change or not? is there some code in the ZEMIS number?

Medea Fleecestealer 12.06.2017 19:30

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
If ZEMIS is your employer then it's a "tied" permit, not an "open" one.

Tomasdeleon 12.06.2017 19:45

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Wow... and what it means? That I won't change for a new job/employer?

Medea Fleecestealer 12.06.2017 19:50

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomasdeleon (Post 2800160)
Wow... and what it means? That I won't change for a new job/employer?

Basically, yes. Unless the new employer can prove they can't find a Swiss/EU national who can do the job.

Ch108 12.06.2017 20:51

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Just sharing my case when I switched job successfully with a non EU B - hope this helps

Profile : Indian
Duration of stay in CH during job switch : 2 years L permit + 5.5 years B permit

What I did
a) Asked the new employer to apply ask for permission for work permit transfer (Bewilligung fur Stellenwechsel or something like that)
b) Told the new employer that unless they get a written permission from the immigration, I am not going to resign from my current job

What immigration did
- Asked for "detail justification" from new employer in 2 iterations

Duration of the process
- 8 weeks

Difference between your case and mine - Mine did not involve canton change. This may be relevant as permits are issued based on canton "quotas". So, your new employer may also need to do an application for canton change. But you don't need to do anything - HR needs to figure out all these with the immigration at bern.

p.s. I have doubt if ZEMIS has anything to do in this regard. I have a C permit now and my permit still carries ZEMIS. Again - just my opinion.

for questions, shoot.

regards,

Tomasdeleon 13.06.2017 08:10

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Thanks to everybody for you very useful comments

NichtsBesonders 13.06.2017 10:02

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
BTW ZEMIS is just the name of the government resident foreigners database, every permit (Ausländerausweis) carries a ZEMIS number (be it EU or non-EU).

The fact that Tomasdeleon's permit has something mentioning his position as postdoc is suggestive of the fact that it is tied to his position, though.

IamMG 13.06.2017 20:57

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
As everyone guess, your permit is tied with your current job/employer. But to be sure do visit cantonal office at Basel and people there can guide you in a better(?) way.

If its tied permit, DO NOT resign until you get permit from ZH and double check and make sure you have all approvals from cantonal and federal authorities.

Is your future employer aware that you are on a tied permit? If yes, try and speak to them for right steps and process.

Good luck in any case.

ccjy 08.03.2018 10:09

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Hi ch108, could you share are the "detail justification" they asked from the new employers? Did they have to do the labor test? Or was it more like detailed questions?

Thank you!
Catherine (singapore)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ch108 (Post 2800184)
Just sharing my case when I switched job successfully with a non EU B - hope this helps

Profile : Indian
Duration of stay in CH during job switch : 2 years L permit + 5.5 years B permit

What I did
a) Asked the new employer to apply ask for permission for work permit transfer (Bewilligung fur Stellenwechsel or something like that)
b) Told the new employer that unless they get a written permission from the immigration, I am not going to resign from my current job

What immigration did
- Asked for "detail justification" from new employer in 2 iterations

Duration of the process
- 8 weeks

Difference between your case and mine - Mine did not involve canton change. This may be relevant as permits are issued based on canton "quotas". So, your new employer may also need to do an application for canton change. But you don't need to do anything - HR needs to figure out all these with the immigration at bern.

p.s. I have doubt if ZEMIS has anything to do in this regard. I have a C permit now and my permit still carries ZEMIS. Again - just my opinion.

for questions, shoot.

regards,


nsharab 08.03.2018 11:04

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Hi All,

I too in a similar situation. I was primary applicant once and now I became dependent on my wife and working with my dependent B permit.

I have also received the confirmation that I can change the employer if necessary. My question now is how can I become primary again? for that, does new prospective employer has to file new case to the authorities and prove that they did not find within Swiss/EU?

Appreciate your nswers.

regrds,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ch108 (Post 2800184)
Just sharing my case when I switched job successfully with a non EU B - hope this helps

Profile : Indian
Duration of stay in CH during job switch : 2 years L permit + 5.5 years B permit

What I did
a) Asked the new employer to apply ask for permission for work permit transfer (Bewilligung fur Stellenwechsel or something like that)
b) Told the new employer that unless they get a written permission from the immigration, I am not going to resign from my current job

What immigration did
- Asked for "detail justification" from new employer in 2 iterations

Duration of the process
- 8 weeks

Difference between your case and mine - Mine did not involve canton change. This may be relevant as permits are issued based on canton "quotas". So, your new employer may also need to do an application for canton change. But you don't need to do anything - HR needs to figure out all these with the immigration at bern.

p.s. I have doubt if ZEMIS has anything to do in this regard. I have a C permit now and my permit still carries ZEMIS. Again - just my opinion.

for questions, shoot.

regards,


Davidmtzb 08.07.2019 10:27

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Hi, very valuable information you have given. Question, did you have to stay without working activity during the process of issueing the new permit??


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ch108 (Post 2800184)
Just sharing my case when I switched job successfully with a non EU B - hope this helps

Profile : Indian
Duration of stay in CH during job switch : 2 years L permit + 5.5 years B permit

What I did
a) Asked the new employer to apply ask for permission for work permit transfer (Bewilligung fur Stellenwechsel or something like that)
b) Told the new employer that unless they get a written permission from the immigration, I am not going to resign from my current job

What immigration did
- Asked for "detail justification" from new employer in 2 iterations

Duration of the process
- 8 weeks

Difference between your case and mine - Mine did not involve canton change. This may be relevant as permits are issued based on canton "quotas". So, your new employer may also need to do an application for canton change. But you don't need to do anything - HR needs to figure out all these with the immigration at bern.

p.s. I have doubt if ZEMIS has anything to do in this regard. I have a C permit now and my permit still carries ZEMIS. Again - just my opinion.

for questions, shoot.

regards,


Anirudh 21.03.2021 22:18

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Hi nsharab,
I am in a similar situation. Currently on dependent B permit (Non-EU, family reunion) and want to get primary B permit.
How did you proceed and what was the result? Your reply is highly appreciated.

Cheers!

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsharab (Post 2919587)
Hi All,

I too in a similar situation. I was primary applicant once and now I became dependent on my wife and working with my dependent B permit.

I have also received the confirmation that I can change the employer if necessary. My question now is how can I become primary again? for that, does new prospective employer has to file new case to the authorities and prove that they did not find within Swiss/EU?

Appreciate your nswers.

regrds,


Ch108 22.03.2021 09:31

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
@Anirudh : Questions in order to provide correct feedback
- How long are you on B ?
- Is the B valid for 5 years or it has to be renewed every year ?

AndersonMD 22.03.2021 12:59

Re: Change employer holding a non-EU B permit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomasdeleon (Post 2800147)
MG, great info in you post, thanks. But checking the residence card there is not description about my issue, only date of birth, nationality, Anmerkungen: where ZEMIS is and postdoc as a description of my job.
How I can exactly know if I can change or not? is there some code in the ZEMIS number?

Note, if postdoc is your job description, this isn't even a real B permit, it is a student permit (yes, it's stupid a post doc isn't a student by in the swiss governments eyes it is). This makes it much harder to transfer to a real job because you need to get accepted for a non-student B, but without the rights of an actually graduating swiss student. Basically assume you have the same rights as someone who is not in Switzerland or EU.


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