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Change EU C to non EU C

Our C permits are due for their 3rd renewal this year. My husband is a US citizen, and was a Dutch citizen, but due to changing rules, he is no longer considered a Dutch citizen. So I suspect our EU C permits will become non EU.
Anyone go through something similar? He's contacting the admin where he works, but I was wondering if the collective intelligence of the EF had anything to offer.

On the positive side, since we've had our C's for 10 years, my husband at least will apply for Swiss citizenship as soon as he can. My German still sucks, so I'm waiting a bit.
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Re: Change EU C to non EU C

Yes, it will be automatically changed to non-EU C (which is a card with bio-metric information). The process is straightforward, they will tell you to go to your cantonal designated center to collect the bio info, and the card will be sent by registered mail in post.

p.s. just to mention that this change will not affect the chance/results or anything on your husband's naturalization process.
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Re: Change EU C to non EU C

I asked once if I could do this because I want my nonEU name. They said 'sure. Pay me'.

they also said it wouldn't really make a difference in anything. But, I would still have my EU citizenship. Not sure if anything would be different if he no longer has EU citizenship.
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My husband is a US citizen, and was a Dutch citizen, but due to changing rules, he is no longer considered a Dutch citizen.
Out of interest, how can/did this happen?
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Out of interest, how can/did this happen?
If you want to retain Dutch nationality and you reside in a non EU country you have to inform them every 10 years. He missed the deadline because he wasn't aware of the new rule.
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Old 12.06.2017, 18:19
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If you want to retain Dutch nationality and you reside in a non EU country you have to inform them every 10 years. He missed the deadline because he wasn't aware of the new rule.


Ouch. Yes, happened to a lot of people, still a very annoying rule as the Netherlands seem to throw their citizenship on anyone else just because they live in the country.
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Re: Change EU C to non EU C

What's changing in the rules on Dutch citizenship? IIRC, if you're American and your husband is originally Dutch but got American citizenship after marrying you he shouldn't have lost his Dutch citizenship, since his other citizenship (American) is the same as his spouse's - I believe there is that exception for Dutch citizens whose other citizenship is that of their spouses.

Edit: just saw OP's new post that posted just a few minutes before mine.
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Is there no way for OP's husband to reclaim his Dutch citizenship if the length of time by which he missed the 10-year notification period was not that much?

If OP's husband becomes a Swiss citizen it won't matter anymore since upon becoming a Swiss citizen he'd lose his Dutch citizenship anyway.

Did OP not become a Dutch citizen by the option procedure, by being married to a Dutch citizen for a certain number of years? The option procedure by marriage doesn't even require living in the Netherlands.
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Is there no way for OP's husband to reclaim his Dutch citizenship if the length of time by which he missed the 10-year notification period was not that much?

If OP's husband becomes a Swiss citizen it won't matter anymore since upon becoming a Swiss citizen he'd lose his Dutch citizenship anyway.

Did OP not become a Dutch citizen by the option procedure, by being married to a Dutch citizen for a certain number of years? The option procedure by marriage doesn't even require living in the Netherlands.


As to the first part: probably not. They play hardball with that one quite often. Heard from a couple of people who lost their citizenship that way.


Second: unless married to a Swiss person.
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Is there no way for OP's husband to reclaim his Dutch citizenship if the length of time by which he missed the 10-year notification period was not that much?

If OP's husband becomes a Swiss citizen it won't matter anymore since upon becoming a Swiss citizen he'd lose his Dutch citizenship anyway.

Did OP not become a Dutch citizen by the option procedure, by being married to a Dutch citizen for a certain number of years? The option procedure by marriage doesn't even require living in the Netherlands.
Nope, never became a Dutch citizen. option procedure is not that easy. Husband isn't too upset about it, since he doesn't intend on living in NL again.

The Dutch changed the rules, husband was inattentive toward Dutch passport renewal and here we are. The Dutch are very picky about dual nationality these days.
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As to the first part: probably not. They play hardball with that one quite often. Heard from a couple of people who lost their citizenship that way.


Second: unless married to a Swiss person.

In this case the spouse isn't Swiss
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In this case the spouse isn't Swiss
Nope. US.
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Old 12.06.2017, 19:42
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On the positive side, since we've had our C's for 10 years, my husband at least will apply for Swiss citizenship as soon as he can.
If he is 10 years on C then he is most likely already eligible as there would be another 5 on B which is more than the total of 12 years of residency needed (At least on federal level).

Canton Zurich, asks for two years.
http://www2.zhlex.zh.ch/appl/zhlex_r.nsf/0/2613B60E2CAF76B6C1257D7A002B437A/$file/141.11_25.10.78_87.pdf

Winterthur has 3 years, whereas at least 2 years just before application
https://stadt.winterthur.ch/themen/d...interthur/view
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If he is 10 years on C then he is most likely already eligible as there would be another 5 on B which is more than the total of 12 years of residency needed (At least on federal level).

Canton Zurich, asks for two years.
http://www2.zhlex.zh.ch/appl/zhlex_r.nsf/0/2613B60E2CAF76B6C1257D7A002B437A/$file/141.11_25.10.78_87.pdf

Winterthur has 3 years, whereas at least 2 years just before application
https://stadt.winterthur.ch/themen/d...interthur/view
The OP and her husband started on a C permit. No B. So only now are eligible to apply for Swiss citizenship.
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The OP and her husband started on a C permit. No B. So only now are eligible to apply for Swiss citizenship.
Yep. One of the benefits of being hired as a full professor by a Swiss university. You start with a C. Husband will be here 10 years in June, and i will hit 10 in August.
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Yep. One of the benefits of being hired as a full professor by a Swiss university. You start with a C. Husband will be here 10 years in June, and i will hit 10 in August.
Then he can apply on January 1st 2018. (Given you have been in Winterthur the mentioned years)
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Yep. One of the benefits of being hired as a full professor by a Swiss university. You start with a C. Husband will be here 10 years in June, and i will hit 10 in August.
He and I can apply in January and see which canton is faster! My money is not on Vaud!
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Question is will there be any language requirement for the citizenship since they started on C permits?
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Question is will there be any language requirement for the citizenship since they started on C permits?
That is a good question. He'll have no problem. I might, and I won't apply till my language skills are better if that's an issue. Anyway, we're not in a rush. My US passport is good till 2024, his till 2027. C permits are good enough for now.

We've been in Winterthur, same flat for 5 years. Moving Sucks big time.

Thanks for all the info and your thoughts!

I can tell you that right now processing a US passport takes exactly two weeks from submission of application in Bern to arrival of completed passport back to Bern.
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Question is will there be any language requirement for the citizenship since they started on C permits?
Yes Medea, there is will be. For normal as well facilitated naturalisation. And by now I thought You should that know by heart.
It is spoken B1 and written A2. See Art. 6 of the new ordinance
https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/official.../2016/2577.pdf
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