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Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

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Mine seems to be a unique condition on this forum. Me and my wife are living in Germany with EU Blue Card. Now for project purpose my company needs me to move and work in Switzerland. Does anybody have any experience in this case? I'm hoping I do not need to go back to India and apply from there. That will increase the timeline significantly.
My company folks are also a bit confused.
If I can apply directly in Germany how can I handle PCC and Marriage certificate legalization from here?
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Hi All,
Mine seems to be a unique condition on this forum. Me and my wife are living in Germany with EU Blue Card. Now for project purpose my company needs me to move and work in Switzerland. Does anybody have any experience in this case? I'm hoping I do not need to go back to India and apply from there. That will increase the timeline significantly.
My company folks are also a bit confused.
If I can apply directly in Germany how can I handle PCC and Marriage certificate legalization from here?


Your company needs to sort out the permit, you can´t. (Unless you are EU/Swiss).
Maybe the company you will work for has experience with this?
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

You should be able to do it from Germany, but as roegner says you can't apply yourself, your employer will have to apply for Swiss permits for you and your wife. You will both need Type D visas as well.

"I am a citizen of a non-EU/EFTA state in possession of an unlimited residence permit valid for an EU/EFTA state. Do I need visa to work in Switzerland?

Whether or not you possess a residence permit valid for an EU/EFTA state does not affect your status in Switzerland. You are subject to the same provisions on entry and work as people who enter Switzerland from a third state. As a rule, you will need to apply for an entry visa, which will be issued by the Swiss diplomatic representation abroad as soon as you have been granted a work permit."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...rbeit/faq.html

Does your company have an office based here? If not, I'm not sure they can apply for a Swiss permit.

You will have to contact the civil register office in the canton you're moving to to find out what documents you need to provide to get the marriage recognised here.

https://www.ch.ch/en/wedding-abroad/
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Where and under what permit you're currently living (outside of CH) is irrelevant, so no, there will be no requirement to move back to India.

It's up to the employer to apply for you to be allowed to live (and work) in Switzerland and to do so they'll normally need to show that they cannot find a Swiss national or resident who could fill the position. (If it's a temporary reassignment within the same company then it can be simpler, I believe).
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Where and under what permit you're currently living (outside of CH) is irrelevant, so no, there will be no requirement to move back to India.
Actually it does matter what permit they have now.

You apply from the country that you are resident in. Not the country of your citizenship.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

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Actually it does matter what permit they have now.

You apply from the country that you are resident in. Not the country of your citizenship.
I've EU Blue card and I'm Indian national. Canton of work is Aargau.
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I've EU Blue card and I'm Indian national. Canton of work is Aargau.


The EU card does not help you with a permit for Switzerland in any way. It will only ascertain that you do do not need to fly to India to pick up your visa.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

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(If it's a temporary reassignment within the same company then it can be simpler, I believe).
It is temporary assignment 12 months L permit.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

Does your wife intend to stay in Germany?


Family reunification on short terms permits is not always allowed and more difficult with L permits.
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Does your wife intend to stay in Germany?


Family reunification on short terms permits is not always allowed and more difficult with L permits.
Obviously not if he's asking about getting the marriage recognised here.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

We intend to relocate together. Last time when my wife moved to Germany after me, it was a painful procedure. Furthermore I assume as soon as I get Swiss permit my EU Blue card will be void and thus my wife's Blue card will also be void (being a dependent).
Regarding Marriage certificate recognition, my office has asked me to courier my original Marriage certificate to them in India so they could legalize it there (Involves verification and signature of Ministry of External Affairs and Swiss embassy). This seems very odd requirement considering I'm living in Germany (though married in India) and ultimately will approach Swiss embassy in Germany for Visa application.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

1. Your 'EU blue card' is still not relevant.
2. You won't need to apply for a Visa, in Germany or anywhere else. As already explained the residence permit is applied for by your Swiss employer. It's instead of a Visa, not on top of one.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

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2. You won't need to apply for a Visa, in Germany or anywhere else. As already explained the residence permit is applied for by your Swiss employer. It's instead of a Visa, not on top of one.
Yes, he will. See post 3. Switzerland still considers him a third country national and as such he will need an entry visa if/when the permit is approved.
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Furthermore I assume as soon as I get Swiss permit my EU Blue card will be void and thus my wife's Blue card will also be void (being a dependent).
That's just not true. A quick google search brings up this FAQ of the german migration authorities, which has the following:

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Kann der Aufenthalt in Deutschland während der Gültigkeit der Blauen Karte EU unterbrochen werden?
Inhabern einer Blauen Karte EU wird die Möglichkeit eingeräumt, sich bis zu zwölf aufeinanderfolgende Monate im Nicht-EU-Ausland aufzuhalten, ohne dass der Aufenthaltstitel erlischt. In diese Regelung sind auch die Familienangehörigen einbezogen. Diese Zeit außerhalb der Bundesrepublik wird jedoch bei einem eventuellen Antrag auf eine Niederlassungserlaubnis nicht angerechnet.
Which, in English, means (pardon for Google translate)
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Can the stay in Germany be interrupted during the validity of the EU Blue Card?
Blue Card holders are given the opportunity to reside for up to 12 consecutive months in non-EU countries without the residence title expiring. This regulation also includes family members. This period outside the Federal Republic is, however, not considered in the case of a possible application for a permanent residence permit.
So a 12-month assignment should be fine regarding retaining the right of residence in Germany. I would encourage you to research this further.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

Yes, definitely check on the EU Blue card status for your wife in case she's not going to be able to join you here. You'd also need to check whether Switzerland is considered as a non-EU country for this under German/EU regulations.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

Thank you all for your answers.

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That's just not true. A quick google search brings up this FAQ of the german migration authorities, which has the following:



Which, in English, means (pardon for Google translate)


So a 12-month assignment should be fine regarding retaining the right of residence in Germany. I would encourage you to research this further.
I knew about this clause. But as my Blue card depends on my employment in Germany before I move to Switzerland I'll get off German payroll thus making my EU Blue card void. (one of the EU Blue Card clause does say that I can stay for 3 months to look for a new job). I thought 12 month clause was for let's say sabbatical while still on payroll or in case if my wife (housewife) wants to live India for few months. Anyways I shall research this further.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

An update on my situation.
So I received cantonal authorization for both me and my wife exactly 10 weeks after the application. Now I'm supposed to get in touch with Swiss consulate in Stuttgart for entry permit.
As folks from my company were not aware of the exact document requirements for this situation, I spent a lot of time on document collation.
The point to be noted here was that we needed Police clearance certificate (PCC) from both India and Germany. For Indian PCC we approached Indian Consulate in Munich and for German PCC (Polizeiliches Führungszeugnis) we applied at local Burgerburo. And we also needed legalization of our Indian marriage certificate.

Damn...6 months of efforts for 12 months of work permit.
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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

And have you ever weighed the L permit that you would get for Switzerland compared to the EU blue card in Germany. as far as i know, the EU blue card is non restrictive. with an L permit in switzerland, you cannot change jobs (absolute no) as the permit is tied to your employer. you can get another L permit for the next 12 months and after that it must be converted to a B permit. again your employer has to prove that they could not find anyone in Swiss or EU to do the job , so your chances of getting a B permit are not guaranteed. so i would suggest to stay in germany if you have any possibilities of continuing your job because an L permit in Switzerland does not give you a long term stable view.

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Re: Non EU German Blue card holder applying for Swiss Work Permit

Well I could easily get a new job in Germany but 1. I like what I'm doing currently and the people. 2. My swiss contract generates handsome increase in savings. 3. I do not plan to settle in Europe.
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Well I could easily get a new job in Germany but 1. I like what I'm doing currently and the people. 2. My swiss contract generates handsome increase in savings. 3. I do not plan to settle in Europe.
Well points 1 and 3 are your personal choices. but you will soon be proven wrong on point 2. salaries seem to be higher in Switzerland when compared to Germany but the costs are also extremely high. eg: if you have children, a day in a childcare for one child costs about roughly 120 CHF per day (so 2400 CHF per month). whereas in Germany it is a mere 400 EUR per month. also house rents are high compared to Germany.
you have to pay health insurance by yourself whereas in germany it is covered by the state. there are seveal threads about cost of living in Switzerland on this forum.
one thing is for sure, the salary in Switzerland gives you a higher buying power but that does not mean you can save more. I am not discouraging your move here but only want to warn about money matters.


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