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Old 29.06.2008, 14:56
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National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

Hello,

I have just moved to Switzerland from Denmark and am required to give my old Danish bank my unique identification number in Switzerland so they can pass on details of my interest earned.

Is there a national identification numbering system in Switzerland? (all I can find on the internet is details about the Swiss protesting *against* having one). If not, I'm guessing that everyone at least has a tax number, is there anyway of finding this online?

Thanks in advance,

Russell.
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Old 29.06.2008, 16:49
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

We have AVS/AHV numbers. You apply for it at the AVS/AHV office. Not sure if that is the number they want.
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

Hi Russell,

I know your post is from a while back, but did you ever figure out what number the Danish authorities wanted?
I just received a similar letter and am unsure if it is just my AVS number they want, or if they are looking for something more precise.

Thanks!
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

Hey!

I'm sorry to say, I really can't remember. I've been in the U.S. for almost four years now. AVS number sounds familiar though!

Good luck,

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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

That is fully understandable.

Thanks anyways Russell!
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

Nice to pop back in here though. My last post was about selling a Wii.
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I have just moved to Switzerland from Denmark . . .
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Hey!

. . . I've been in the U.S. for almost four years now. . . .

Russell.
Your troubles are only just starting. Google this site for facta for an explanation. Your first priority is to open a bank account in Switzerland, then maybe drop your Danish bank account and then drop any association with the US.
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

I have no troubles, but thanks for the concern!
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Your troubles are only just starting. Google this site for facta for an explanation. Your first priority is to open a bank account in Switzerland, then maybe drop your Danish bank account and then drop any association with the US.
No, no problems at the moment me.anon. It'll be when he returns from the States (assuming he has a Green Card or even US citizenship) and finds he's got to sign his life away to get an account back in Europe.
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

I just mean, I have everything in hand. My original post was from 2008, and resurrected by Aske who was asking about a Danish-Swiss bank situation. Just because I mentioned the U.S. doesn't mean I need to be schooled in FATCA.
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

Mea culpa. I didn't notice that this short thread has a 6 year history.
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No problem! See you again in another 6 years. *out*
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No problem! See you again in another 6 years. *out*
Yes. Exactly. Bear my advice in mind if you should ever return to Switzerland. Who knows. Maybe in another 6 years time. Bye for now.
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I know your post is from a while back, but did you ever figure out what number the Danish authorities wanted?
I just received a similar letter and am unsure if it is just my AVS number they want, or if they are looking for something more precise.


I joined the club and was requested a "tax number". Anyone knows which number this is?


Best regards,
Kenneth
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

Found something myself:


https://www.oecd.org/tax/automatic-e...erland-TIN.pdf


It seems, that for individuals the tax number is the AVS number.


(I didnt find a way to edit my last post - is it impossible?)


/Kenneth
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Re: National (or tax) identification numbers in Switzerland

I just received a letter from my bank in the UK, where I still have an account.

They are requesting I supply my TIN (AVS number).

It is to do with an Individual Tax Residency Self-Certification.

Does anyone know if I can get away with declining to give my TIN, as my tax domicile is Switzerland, and to my knowledge, the Swiss authorities will only grass up those who are resident in Switzerland, but tax domiciled in the EU.

I know I can just close the account. I only use it for convenience when I visit the UK.
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I just received a letter from my bank in the UK, where I still have an account.

They are requesting I supply my TIN (AVS number).
Welcome to the world and time of automatic tax information exchange.

Are you on Permit C and did you list this account on your annual Swiss tax return?

If not you may look up and research on the topic of: "Straflose Selbstanzeige" (penalty free full tax disclosure).
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I just received a letter from my bank in the UK, where I still have an account.

They are requesting I supply my TIN (AVS number).

It is to do with an Individual Tax Residency Self-Certification.

Does anyone know if I can get away with declining to give my TIN, as my tax domicile is Switzerland, and to my knowledge, the Swiss authorities will only grass up those who are resident in Switzerland, but tax domiciled in the EU.

I know I can just close the account. I only use it for convenience when I visit the UK.
Possibly the bank will report you to the UK tax authorities, since without any other evidence their best option is to assume the money is local...

They will definitely decline to keep the account open, unless they feel like breaking a bunch of laws (not particularly unusual for a bank, but I suspect you're not worth it...)

You either give them your AHV, or you close it neatly. Or they decide to freeze it, or send you a cheque, which would be awkward.

It also depends how much it really is... if we're talking about a few hundred, or a couple of thousand, just withdraw it and spend it as cash!
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Possibly the bank will report you to the UK tax authorities, since without any other evidence their best option is to assume the money is local...

They will definitely decline to keep the account open, unless they feel like breaking a bunch of laws (not particularly unusual for a bank, but I suspect you're not worth it...)

You either give them your AHV, or you close it neatly. Or they decide to freeze it, or send you a cheque, which would be awkward.

It also depends how much it really is... if we're talking about a few hundred, or a couple of thousand, just withdraw it and spend it as cash!
It's not much money, and I only use it for ATM access during visits to the UK.

It's none of the UK tax authorities' business what my Swiss AVS number is.
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It's not much money, and I only use it for ATM access during visits to the UK.

It's none of the UK tax authorities' business what my Swiss AVS number is.
Unfortunately, nowadays it is:

https://www.blevinsfranks.com/news/b...rting-standard

It's basically the European version of the US's FATCA law so you'll either need to give them the number or close the account.
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