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Swiss passport holder but never lived in Switzerland

Hello,

I live in Peru but hold the Swiss passport thanks to my father. I've visited Switzerland several times (last one in 2009).

I'm 34 now and have a 6 y/o daughter (she doesn't have the Swiss passport yet) and I'm living with her mother although we're not married and are not planning to marry (yeah, we're those kind of people).

I'm currently looking for a job in Switzerland and, throughout the process, several questions arise. I hope some of them can be answered by the kind people of these forums:
  1. I've heard that companies have to prove that they didn't find a Swiss national before hiring a foreigner... am I qualified to be that first option? Or am I relegated to 2nd tier for not living in Switzerland?
  2. Since we're not married (but I'm a Swiss national)... can I take my partner and daughter with me? If so... would they be able to stay in Switzerland? She's a housewife (will take care of our daughter) but can work in minor roles if required.
  3. If I travel alone first and then want to bring them both... what would be the limitations / requirements to do so?
  4. Would it be too shocking for a 6 y/o girl who doesn't speak German?

Thanks for your help!
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Old 03.07.2017, 18:17
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No, you're Swiss so are first in the queue. The main barriers will be whether your skills/experience are in demand here and whether you speak a Swiss language.

It is possible to bring the family. Get your daughter her Swiss passport and ideally marry her mother. If marriage isn't on the cards there is a concubine permit available. However you will need to show you either have a job here or that you have sufficient funds to support your family.

Children that age adapt very quickly and the Swiss school system is well set up to help them learn the language. She'll be fluent within a year.

Some links to get you started:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home...itzerland.html

https://www.ch.ch/en/returning-to-switzerland/

http://www.aso.ch/files/webcontent/r..._with_logo.pdf

and also contact the Swiss embassy/consulate in Peru for info/advice on how best to proceed.
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Re: Swiss passport holder but never lived in Switzerland

In order to quicken getting your daughter's Swiss passport (and should you marry your partner) make sure you are 1) already registered, or 2) update your family's information at your families canton of origin.


If you update it means you are already registered (your Dad should have done this), your daughter should also be registered, as well as her mother. The document that needs to be up to date is the one below, in the 3 languages, depending where your canton of origin is.


Certificat Relatif à l'État De Famille Enregistré
Ausweis Über Den Registrierten Familienstand
Certificato Relativo Allo Stato Di Famiglia Registrato
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No, you're Swiss so are first in the queue. The main barriers will be whether your skills/experience are in demand here and whether you speak a Swiss language.

It is possible to bring the family. Get your daughter her Swiss passport and ideally marry her mother. If marriage isn't on the cards there is a concubine permit available. However you will need to show you either have a job here or that you have sufficient funds to support your family.

Children that age adapt very quickly and the Swiss school system is well set up to help them learn the language. She'll be fluent within a year.

Some links to get you started:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home...itzerland.html

https://www.ch.ch/en/returning-to-switzerland/

http://www.aso.ch/files/webcontent/r..._with_logo.pdf

and also contact the Swiss embassy/consulate in Peru for info/advice on how best to proceed.
Thank you very much for your reply! It gives me hope... I thought I was going to be relegated and that was basically my main concern.

As for the language... I'm only applying for jobs where English is the "official" language of the company (there are several). My father never taught me German or Swiss-German because he always considered English to be much more important and wanted me to polish it before anything else. I understand a lot of Swiss-German though... to me, it's easier than plain German.

I will get my daughter her Swiss passport as soon as possible. The Swiss embassy is far away from where I live though, so it's kinda hard to get there but I will put that as my top-priority.

Thanks again!

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In order to quicken getting your daughter's Swiss passport (and should you marry your partner) make sure you are 1) already registered, or 2) update your family's information at your families canton of origin.


If you update it means you are already registered (your Dad should have done this), your daughter should also be registered, as well as her mother. The document that needs to be up to date is the one below, in the 3 languages, depending where your canton of origin is.


Certificat Relatif à l'État De Famille Enregistré
Ausweis Über Den Registrierten Familienstand
Certificato Relativo Allo Stato Di Famiglia Registrato
I'm a bit confused by the registration-update here. My passport says I come from Aargau, although my Swiss-family (Grandma, a couple of aunts and cousins) live in Biel and Zurich. Should I contact any authorities in Aargau? Or the whole process can be done through the Swiss Embassy in Peru?
Am I not automatically registered when I get the passport?

Thanks for your help! I really appreciate it!

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Re: Swiss passport holder but never lived in Switzerland

The town in Aargau, or your local embassy.

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The town in Aargau, or your local embassy.

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Thank you very much, Tom! I will get in touch with the Swiss embassy in Lima.

Greetings!
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I'm a bit confused by the registration-update here. My passport says I come from Aargau, although my Swiss-family (Grandma, a couple of aunts and cousins) live in Biel and Zurich. Should I contact any authorities in Aargau? Or the whole process can be done through the Swiss Embassy in Peru?
Am I not automatically registered when I get the passport?

Thanks for your help! I really appreciate it!
No you are not automatically registered. For you to be registered your father would have had to contact your family's canton of origin to do it, and present them with a copy of your birth certificate.


In your passport next to your picture you will see "Heimatort, Lieu d'origine, Luogo di Attinenza, Place of Origin" followed by the name of a town and canton. It does not matter where you live or where you where born. Your canton of origin represents where your family originates from (centuries ago!) and where records are still kept up to date....if you are Swiss everything related to your family (births, deaths, marriages, adoptions, divorce) all revert back to that.


Have a look at where your passport says your family hails originally from, and then contact the Cantonal District Administration for that canton(Bezirksverwaltung + canton...as you say your father was/is of Swiss-German origin) The naturalisation process for your daughter will require up to date documents from here.


Also important, your daughter's birth certificate will require notarizing (by the Swiss embassy in Lima), they then notify your canton of origin who in turn will notify the district of your origin. As you can imagine this takes a little bit of time so you should try and get it going as quickly as you can.


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No you are not automatically registered. For you to be registered your father would have had to contact your family's canton of origin to do it, and present them with a copy of your birth certificate.


In your passport next to your picture you will see "Heimatort, Lieu d'origine, Luogo di Attinenza, Place of Origin" followed by the name of a town and canton. It does not matter where you live or where you where born. Your canton of origin represents where your family originates from (centuries ago!) and where records are still kept up to date....if you are Swiss everything related to your family (births, deaths, marriages, adoptions, divorce) all revert back to that.


Have a look at where your passport says your family hails originally from, and then contact the Cantonal District Administration for that canton(Bezirksverwaltung + canton...as you say your father was/is of Swiss-German origin) The naturalisation process for your daughter will require up to date documents from here.


Also important, your daughter's birth certificate will require notarizing (by the Swiss embassy in Lima), they then notify your canton of origin who in turn will notify the district of your origin. As you can imagine this takes a little bit of time so you should try and get it going as quickly as you can.


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I guess I'm gonna have to do all the paperwork by myself. I remember my father giving me a funny look when he saw the "Aargau" thing in my passport so chances are slim that he contacted anyone. He's no longer with us so I can't ask.

Thank you for all the info, Rachel! I find it extremely useful!

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No you are not automatically registered. For you to be registered your father would have had to contact your family's canton of origin to do it, and present them with a copy of your birth certificate...
I'm puzzled by this bit. If Manolok's birth wasn't registered, then how did the Swiss authorities know/verify he's actually Swiss and issue him with a passport? How did they determine his place of origin is Aargau as opposed to somewhere else? Could the act of requesting the passport and providing the documentation to back it up be a form of "registering" his birth with the Heimatort?

There has to be a paper trail somewhere because we are talking about Switzerland...
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I'm puzzled by this bit. If Manolok's birth wasn't registered, then how did the Swiss authorities know/verify he's actually Swiss and issue him with a passport?
Obviously, it WAS registered.

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I'm puzzled by this bit. If Manolok's birth wasn't registered, then how did the Swiss authorities know/verify he's actually Swiss and issue him with a passport? How did they determine his place of origin is Aargau as opposed to somewhere else? Could the act of requesting the passport and providing the documentation to back it up be a form of "registering" his birth with the Heimatort?

There has to be a paper trail somewhere because we are talking about Switzerland...
True, good point, and so what he needs to do now is update his family info by adding his daughter and possible marriage if he goes ahead. Furthermore, to update also means to register your dear father's death, so another certificate requiring notarised.
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