Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Permits/visas/government  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04.07.2017, 19:58
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Olten
Posts: 20
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
basel2010 has no particular reputation at present
Non-EU B Permit

What are the chances and criteria of a Non-EU citizen getting a B permit on his first year application?
- Is it always the case that, non-EU citizens always get a L permit in their first 2 years?
- Has any non-eu citizen received a B permit in the first year? if so what was different in the application?
- Are there any recent cases (last 2-3 years)?

Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04.07.2017, 20:17
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,869
Groaned at 445 Times in 343 Posts
Thanked 17,983 Times in 10,045 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Non-EU B Permit

VERY high salary I believe is one criteria. And for some reason university professors get a B straightaway.

Don't recall anyone reporting getting a non-EU B straightaway here on the forum.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 04.07.2017, 20:20
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: lugano
Posts: 927
Groaned at 160 Times in 81 Posts
Thanked 861 Times in 463 Posts
DL21 has earned the respect of manyDL21 has earned the respect of manyDL21 has earned the respect of many
Re: Non-EU B Permit

is this a visa supported by new employment? (i don't actually know what an 'L' is used for). non EU students or people not intending to seek employment get a B right away. and university professors sometimes get a C right away (incredible as that may seem!).
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04.07.2017, 20:34
roegner's Avatar
Moderately Dutch
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 11,809
Groaned at 386 Times in 324 Posts
Thanked 15,433 Times in 7,124 Posts
roegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Most of the time it is 2 "L" before the "B" for non-EU employees, Haven´t heard from anyone getting a "B" after just one year (for non-EU´s that is)
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank roegner for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 04.07.2017, 20:35
roegner's Avatar
Moderately Dutch
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 11,809
Groaned at 386 Times in 324 Posts
Thanked 15,433 Times in 7,124 Posts
roegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Quote:
View Post
is this a visa supported by new employment? (i don't actually know what an 'L' is used for). .
Not a visa. L is a short term permit
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05.07.2017, 10:50
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Olten
Posts: 20
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
basel2010 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Quote:
View Post
Most of the time it is 2 "L" before the "B" for non-EU employees, Haven´t heard from anyone getting a "B" after just one year (for non-EU´s that is)

I agree with you, most of the time 'L permit' is the case. However, there might be cases where a non-eu citizen has received a B permit right at the first application. Either a Postdoc / Professor level or a higher salary/ position being the differentiator.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05.07.2017, 11:07
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 11
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts
almostawake has no particular reputation at present
Re: Non-EU B Permit

I'm a postdoc and had two years of L before B.

Some of my friends (of the same non-EU nationality as I) got B straight away when they arrived.

Why is still a mystery however. Some factors that could may have been relevant:
FTE - I was 90%. Everyone who I know who has got B first time was 100%

Age - I am quite a bit older than the folks that got B first time.

Origin of move - I moved from an EU country where I had lived 3 years. All others moved directly from North America.
It doesn't seem that money was a factor as even on 90% my salary was higher than any of my friends' was on 100%.

I discussed this at length with the HR at my university and they had no real understanding of why I was getting B. And ultimately this didn't seem to be just bureaucratic "passing the buck" because at various points my professor and the head of my school became involved.

Regarding professors, they are given B permits straight away, but universities have a lot of power to negotiate on that. I know several who have negotiated a C permit straight away, although you need to speak an official language to pull that off.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank almostawake for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 05.07.2017, 11:42
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,869
Groaned at 445 Times in 343 Posts
Thanked 17,983 Times in 10,045 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Also have to remember that there are simply more non-EU L permits available than B ones.

•4500 “L” short term permits for non-EU/EFTA nationals
•3000 “B” long term permits for non-EU/EFTA nationals
•2000 “L” short term permits for EU/EFTA nationals on assignment/secondment
•250 “B” long term permits for EU/EFTA nationals on ssignment/secondment

And that's for the whole of Swtizerland. Normal permit numbers are divided by 4 and each lot is issued at the start of each quarter year. Plus the Federal government keeps about half in reserve iirc. So around 562 ordinary L permits and 375 B per quarter assuming the other half is kept in reserve and not including the assignment/secondment ones in the figure work. And those figures are an increase over last year's quota limits.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 05.07.2017, 19:47
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 967
Groaned at 20 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 513 Times in 259 Posts
happyrobbie has an excellent reputationhappyrobbie has an excellent reputationhappyrobbie has an excellent reputationhappyrobbie has an excellent reputation
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Quote:
View Post
I'm a postdoc and had two years of L before B.

Some of my friends (of the same non-EU nationality as I) got B straight away when they arrived.

Why is still a mystery however. Some factors that could may have been relevant:
FTE - I was 90%. Everyone who I know who has got B first time was 100%

Age - I am quite a bit older than the folks that got B first time.

Origin of move - I moved from an EU country where I had lived 3 years. All others moved directly from North America.
It doesn't seem that money was a factor as even on 90% my salary was higher than any of my friends' was on 100%.

I discussed this at length with the HR at my university and they had no real understanding of why I was getting B. And ultimately this didn't seem to be just bureaucratic "passing the buck" because at various points my professor and the head of my school became involved.

Regarding professors, they are given B permits straight away, but universities have a lot of power to negotiate on that. I know several who have negotiated a C permit straight away, although you need to speak an official language to pull that off.
University professors (including EPF, canton universities, and HES), plus their spouse, plus minor children, always get C permit right away. No language or whatever requirement is needed. This is the rule set out by federal and cantons, not the fruit of the negociation of universities.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank happyrobbie for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 05.07.2017, 20:11
kngavl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Bärn
Posts: 771
Groaned at 8 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 853 Times in 354 Posts
kngavl has a reputation beyond reputekngavl has a reputation beyond reputekngavl has a reputation beyond reputekngavl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Non-EU PhD here (can speak for all non-EU doctoral candidates, and masters students at my department) everyone got/has a B (yearly renewal).
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank kngavl for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 06.07.2017, 16:18
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 11
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
freddurst has no particular reputation at present
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Is the B permit tight to your employer? If you resign you loose your B permit?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06.07.2017, 16:21
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,869
Groaned at 445 Times in 343 Posts
Thanked 17,983 Times in 10,045 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Quote:
View Post
Is the B permit tight to your employer? If you resign you loose your B permit?
Usually yes. It's rare for a non-EU B permit not to be tied to the employer. It's also very hard to change jobs with a tied B, there has to be a VERY good reason for the cantonal migration office to allow it.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06.07.2017, 17:38
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Zurich
Posts: 281
Groaned at 30 Times in 20 Posts
Thanked 65 Times in 33 Posts
unbalanced is considered unworthyunbalanced is considered unworthyunbalanced is considered unworthy
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Quote:
View Post
Usually yes. It's rare for a non-EU B permit not to be tied to the employer. It's also very hard to change jobs with a tied B, there has to be a VERY good reason for the cantonal migration office to allow it.
Then how you can make it untied permit? Most of companies will not help for it. Because if you have a tied permit, then you cant leave the job easily. Why would they help? I think that it should be a way to have it..
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06.07.2017, 18:01
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,869
Groaned at 445 Times in 343 Posts
Thanked 17,983 Times in 10,045 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Non-EU B Permit

It's entirely down to the cantonal migration office whether they decide to make a tied B an open one.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10.07.2017, 18:08
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts
enefem has no particular reputation at present
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Probably the question is why you'd like B permit sooner? I could not see what is the advantages of holding non-EU B permit compared to L permit.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10.07.2017, 18:40
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,869
Groaned at 445 Times in 343 Posts
Thanked 17,983 Times in 10,045 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Slightly better job security. L permits are valid for one year and can be extended for only two more max.

"Chapter 6: Regulation of the Period of stay
Art. 32 Short stay permit
1 The short stay permit is granted for limited periods of stay of up to one year.
2 It is granted for a specific purpose of stay and may be made subject to additional conditions.
3 It may be extended by up to two years. A change of job is only possible for good cause.
4 The short stay permit may only be granted again after an appropriate interruption of stay in Switzerland."
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11.07.2017, 09:43
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts
enefem has no particular reputation at present
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Quote:
View Post
Slightly better job security. L permits are valid for one year and can be extended for only two more max.

"Chapter 6: Regulation of the Period of stay
Art. 32 Short stay permit
1 The short stay permit is granted for limited periods of stay of up to one year.
2 It is granted for a specific purpose of stay and may be made subject to additional conditions.
3 It may be extended by up to two years. A change of job is only possible for good cause.
4 The short stay permit may only be granted again after an appropriate interruption of stay in Switzerland."
Note that in most cases, an L permit will lead to B permit that for non-EU will need to be extended every year anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 16.07.2017, 13:06
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Zurich
Posts: 24
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
New_Elephant has no particular reputation at present
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Quote:
View Post
What are the chances and criteria of a Non-EU citizen getting a B permit on his first year application?
- Is it always the case that, non-EU citizens always get a L permit in their first 2 years?
- Has any non-eu citizen received a B permit in the first year? if so what was different in the application?
- Are there any recent cases (last 2-3 years)?

Thanks.
Yes , its always the case 2 years on L. I know a case where a person got it by living only 1.5 years in Switzerland, the reason was he went back to his non-EU country without de-registering and came back and forth few times but that was long time back. Currently, its almost impossible or may need exceptional assistance from employer if person is willing to do so.

Getting B for non-EU in first year is possible if person is a very senior executive and proven by the employer to immigration by all standards from CV, Salary, Age, roles and resp. etc.. secondly such person will be coming for a very important defined task with quite a senior role (part of executive leadership etc.)

Don't know anyone recently but I believe for international and Swiss firms of repute (esp. which are in non people intensive business or not too many applications from company overall) it is mostly easy.

Last edited by New_Elephant; 16.07.2017 at 13:12. Reason: make it more precise
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 17.07.2017, 20:17
Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: St.Gallen
Posts: 6
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
i and me has no particular reputation at present
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Hello Basel2010,

1) Well it is not true that all non-eu people get directly a L-permit.

2) I am a non-eu citizen and I got a B-permit directly. There is nothing special in my case. I possess 2 years of work experience + Masters degree from Germany. I consider myself to be an entry level candidate. I got my permit starting January 2017

3) My case is the most recent January 2017. Apart from that I know two friends of mine who had got B-permit right from the start. All of us were entry level candidates with Masters degree from Germany.

My opinion: It all depends on the canton and the time of your application (earlier the better). Possessing a Masters degree helps as it falls under specialist category.

Good luck!!
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank i and me for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 17.07.2017, 20:37
Golface8's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Oberrieden
Posts: 44
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts
Golface8 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Non-EU B Permit

Quote:
View Post
VERY high salary I believe is one criteria. And for some reason university professors get a B straightaway.

Don't recall anyone reporting getting a non-EU B straightaway here on the forum.
I received a B permit (also allwing my wife to work) as a non-EU citizen (American) from day 1. I dont know why it happened, but I suspect it was a combination of the job vs. skill set match (my employer wrote a narrow job description which fit me) anf my employers standing in the community. my employer is based in Baar, since before it was taxably fashionable.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Golface8 for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
b permit, l permit, permit, residence permit, visa




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Work permit for a non-EU spouse of an EU L-permit holder lesneludki Permits/visas/government 20 21.03.2016 17:41
Permit Renewal after 5 years - Is a C permit possible ? Non EU marrying an EU CosmicSpunk Permits/visas/government 7 27.01.2014 01:54
Does marriage give me a visa to work? [non-EU marrying non-EU B permit holder] AshleyfrmKS Permits/visas/government 16 09.02.2012 12:47
EU+non-EU spouse (living non-EU) permit question kosh Permits/visas/government 27 20.02.2008 09:05
Non-EU/EU married couple - B permit based on Non-EU's Employment? WorldTraveller Permits/visas/government 12 14.09.2007 19:31


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:25.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0