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An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

Hi all, we are a family of 5, my wife and I, 2 sons (age: 13, 11) a daughter 3 years, two years ago my wife and the kids visited Switzerland, now we would like to permanently move there, is it possible, what are the rules, I know this is big question, but we are looking for an answer, if there are Migration agents, we can contact them.
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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

Do you have one of the following?
A) A sought after profession that is in demand in Switzerland, which employers cannot fill from Switzerland/EU?
B) An EU/EFTA or Swiss passport?
C) Lots and lots and lots of money?
If not, then no you can't.
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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

Thank you so much for taking time to write for me,
for question (A), this is almost impossible for any profession anywhere in the world.
part (B): no, We are from Australia
Part (C): How much money needed, what is the limit?
Thanks anyway.
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Part (C): How much money needed, what is the limit?
Enough so that you will never need to work in Switzerland.
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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

Welcome to the forum, but unfortunately unless you're extremely wealthy and don't need to work the only way is to be employed by a Swiss employer. If your skills/experience are in demand then a Swiss employer may try and get a permit for you, but priority is given to Swiss/EU nationals so an employer has to show they can't find one before they'd be allowed to hire you. The non-EU hiring criteria is outlined here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

And the procedure to get that permission is outlined here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...ensablauf.html

You say it's impossible, but many thousands of people do this all the time around the world so it's not. It's just a question of whether the skills/experience a person has are needed and not readily found in a particular country.
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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

Do you or your wife have Irish ancestors?

If you have / had an Irish-born grandparent you can claim Irish (therefore EU) citizenship.
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Thank you so much for taking time to write for me,
for question (A), this is almost impossible for any profession anywhere in the world.
part (B): no, We are from Australia
Part (C): How much money needed, what is the limit?
Thanks anyway.
I don't see why (A) is impossible. You have to ask why a Swiss employer would go to the trouble of arranging your family's migration from Australia instead of hiring locally. The only reason would be a highly niche and sought-after skill. How is your ice hockey?
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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

My husband and I are Australian and no other passports and we were able to fill 'niche' jobs in Zurich...

It *is* possible. It really depends on what qualifications you have and whether you can find an employer who needs you and cannot fill the position locally or from the EU.

Oh, and if you do come over, it will only be on a temporary one year permit for maximum two years, then B permit for 8-10 years. Unless you all speak a local language fluently and can prove to the local government that you are fully integrated into the Swiss community, it will be 10-12 years before you get the eqivalent to 'Permanent Residency' - and even then you have to speak the local language. We also have to stay living in the same town for a set period of time and until our applications (which can take 1-2 years) are processed for permanent residency)...

We've been here now for 9 years....no plans to leave soon.... we're hanging in there for our permanent residency and Swiss passports - our kids are fluent English/Swiss-German and High-German and also study French.
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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

Another Australian family here. We've just got our C permits, so permanent residency, after ten years. But coming here was only possible because my husband works in a very specialist field.

But even if you do find a job, it's going to be tough for your older kids unless they are already fluent in a local language, or unless you can afford international school fees. Not impossible, but hard going. At 13, or older by the time you got here, most kids are either a year or so away from finishing secondary school and preparing to find an apprenticeship (very different to the Australian idea of an apprenticeship), or preparing to go into a Gymnasium (academic version of high school), which would be impossible without fluency and high academic achievement.

For your younger kids it would be no problem at all, as they could enter the system from the beginning and pick up the language quickly, which is what my daughter did.

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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

i don't know much about your situation. if you have sources of income outside switzerland (such as a business in australia, investment income, etc) and its sufficient to support your family you should have no problem getting a permit. i'm not really sure what the amount they want to see is and it varies by canton but i'm guessing about 80k per person per year (so 400k for your family) would probably be sufficient in many parts.

talk to the migration office in the place you are interested in moving to and they'll give you some guidance.

generally i think if you have no criminal record, seem like you'll contribute to the economy and can look after yourself they're cool with letting you in.
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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

If you are not from Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, or Singapore your chances are, as said, slim. Those are the only non-European countries which citizens easily can get long term permits.
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If you are not from Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, or Singapore your chances are, as said, slim. Those are the only non-European countries which citizens easily can get long term permits.
Says who?



OP, only way is - massive wealth aside - finding a job here with an employer that sponsors you. Then you live and work here for years and years until about 10 years later, you can apply for permanent residency. Not all that different from Australia, really, except for longer waiting times for PR.

Needless to say without having any indication whatsoever about what it is you or your husband does for a living, no one can comment on how "easy" it is to find a job (well it's never easy anyway), let alone if that profession is specialized enough for you/your husband to qualify for a work permit.
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i don't know much about your situation. if you have sources of income outside switzerland (such as a business in australia, investment income, etc) and its sufficient to support your family you should have no problem getting a permit. i'm not really sure what the amount they want to see is and it varies by canton but i'm guessing about 80k per person per year (so 400k for your family) would probably be sufficient in many parts.
If coming without a job here, this makes me wonder about renting. As I understand it, foreign income counts for zero when applying for places. So, would they have to buy a place? When we filled out application forms my foreign income was not considered, my partner's Swiss income had to be enough on its own.
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Re: An Australian would like to get permanent residency in Switzerland

I thank you all for taking time to write to me, we are hard working family, I am a structural designer and computer programmer, I think I can easily find a good job, the only barrier will be the language( German or French or Italian ), the reason we like to live in Switzerland is because when my family traveled to CH 2 years ago and in a few weeks we go again, my younger Son cried, he did not want to go back to Australia, He loved the country and every few days telling me to live there.
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I thank you all for taking time to write to me, we are hard working family, I am a structural designer and computer programmer, I think I can easily find a good job, the only barrier will be the language( German or French or Italian )
Not only language is a barrier, more the fact that a company needs to show that no Swiss or EU person could be found for the job. It works if you are highly qualified and/or in a niche business. If not, your chances are very slim.
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If coming without a job here, this makes me wonder about renting. As I understand it, foreign income counts for zero when applying for places. So, would they have to buy a place? When we filled out application forms my foreign income was not considered, my partner's Swiss income had to be enough on its own.
not my experience.
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Says who?
Annex 1, List 1 of the Visa Provisions FOM
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...oerigkeit.html
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not my experience.
We also consulted a person working in relocation/finding apartments who said the same thing. So you got to put your foreign income on the form and have it count towards the total income needed, ie 3 x the rent?
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I don't see why (A) is impossible. You have to ask why a Swiss employer would go to the trouble of arranging your family's migration from Australia instead of hiring locally. The only reason would be a highly niche and sought-after skill. How is your ice hockey?
Any sport actually

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That IS interesting. Thanks for the link.
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We also consulted a person working in relocation/finding apartments who said the same thing. So you got to put your foreign income on the form and have it count towards the total income needed, ie 3 x the rent?
things are bit more informal in ticino i suppose. i rented privately from the owner who is a local 'aristocrat' (her family 'founded' lugano is how she once described it to me). i shared my financial position with her (might have showed my tax return or bank letter or something), paid deposit into an account and paid rent each month. i also didn't have a permit at the time.

similarly when i bought a house. foreign income has always worked fine for me.
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