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Hi All.

I'll be officially graduating with a Bachelor's degree soon, and I have quite a few questions about the transition to working life as a non-EU graduate.

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I'll apologise in advance because I know this theme has been discussed ad nauseum, but my questions are really narrow.

I know that, as a non-EU graduating with a Swiss diploma, I have equal footing with Swiss/EU citizens when it comes to getting a job in Switzerland. I also know that non-EU graduates can apply for a permit to stay in Switzerland for six months to search for a job.

I'll be graduating in a few weeks, and the day after I graduate I'll be going home for some rest.

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  • Do I have to get the 'job search' permit before I can get a job? Or can I get a job from outside the country (within the 6 months after I graduated)?
  • Do I have to apply for the 'job search' immediately after I graduate? Or can it be a month or two after graduation (after my break at home)?
  • What does the employer have to show to prove the position is of 'economic or scientific importance' (aka not McDonalds)?

Thank you so much in advance for your help!
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Old 08.07.2017, 11:24
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Re: Non-EU Graduate with Questions :)

If you don't stay in Switzerland after you graduate I don't think you're entitled to the 6 month job seeker permit.

"To find employment, foreign nationals who have earned a Swiss university-level diploma will be entitled to stay in Switzerland for six more months from the time of completing their education or postgraduate studies."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...abgaenger.html

Still check with the cantonal migration office to be sure. Even if you're allowed to leave whatever time you're away from Switzerland will be deducted from the 6 month period, i.e. if you're out of the country for 2 months you'll probably only get 4 months maximum to look for a job when you come back because it's from the time you graduate, not from the time you apply for the permit.

What an employer has to show will depend on what the actual position is. There's no hard and fast rule.
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Re: Non-EU Graduate with Questions :)

hey,
I do not know whether going your home is a good idea or not.. But i advice you to start to search job now.. Because it is going to take long..

I applied also work permit, and you can read my experiences here https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...tudy-here.html

maybe it will help you
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Re: Non-EU Graduate with Questions :)

In practice non-EU graduates of Swiss universities are not at all on "equal footing" with Swiss and EU graduates of Swiss graduates.

How much time you spend outside of Switzerland after completing your degree requirements is not deducted from the six-month period. It's not relevant. The six month countdown begins the day that you are confirmed to have completed the degree requirements. You don't have to apply for the jobseeker permit immediately after being confirmed to have completed the degree requirements, but if you apply for the jobseeker permit two months after confirmation of completing the degree requirements you'll receive a four-month jobseeker permit. If you apply for the jobseeker permit three months after confirmation of completing the degree requirements you'll receive a three-month jobseeker permit. And so on.
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Hi All.
......

QUESTIONS
  • Do I have to get the 'job search' permit before I can get a job? Or can I get a job from outside the country (within the 6 months after I graduated)?
  • Do I have to apply for the 'job search' immediately after I graduate? Or can it be a month or two after graduation (after my break at home)?
  • What does the employer have to show to prove the position is of 'economic or scientific importance' (aka not McDonalds)?

Thank you so much in advance for your help!
As the detail is so important, I would ask your university or local Gemeinde about this rather than rely on a forum, even one as erudite and as unfailingly constructive as EF.
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In practice non-EU graduates of Swiss universities are not at all on "equal footing" with Swiss and EU graduates of Swiss graduates.
Hi, thank you for your response. Could you please elaborate on your first sentence? Am I misunderstanding the law?


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You don't have to apply for the jobseeker permit immediately after being confirmed to have completed the degree requirements, but if you apply for the jobseeker permit two months after confirmation of completing the degree requirements you'll receive a four-month jobseeker permit.
Thank you, that was what I was wondering, whether or not I have to apply for the jobseeker permit immediately after being confirmed to have completed the degree requirements.
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Hi, thank you for your response. Could you please elaborate on your first sentence? Am I misunderstanding the law?




Thank you, that was what I was wondering, whether or not I have to apply for the jobseeker permit immediately after being confirmed to have completed the degree requirements.

By the way, though I think you picked up on it, I should mention that I mistyped a word in my sentence that "In practice non-EU graduates of Swiss universities are not at all on "equal footing" with Swiss and EU graduates of Swiss graduates." I meant "In practice non-EU graduates of Swiss universities are not at all on "equal footing" with Swiss and EU graduates of Swiss universities."

What I meant, when I wrote that in practice non-EU graduates of Swiss universities are not at all on equal footing with Swiss and EU graduates of Swiss universities, was just that the way the authorities handle the permit applications of most non-EU graduates, most employers do not even seriously consider trying to employ most non-EU graduates. The authorities usually set many conditions, and most employers do not even try, or do not make enough of a case to the authorities.

The way the Nierynck initiative is written, it gives false hope to many non-EU graduates of Swiss universities that they will be granted work permits, if they manage to find jobs.
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