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How likely to settle here

Hello everyone,

I am a Chinese from New Zealand. I have been visiting a friend here several times over the years and found myself helplessly in love with this country. I would like to explore the possibility to settle here. Can you tell me, as a 45 years old female, third country citizen, speak only English and Chinese, with a Bachelor degree in Marketing and Sales & Marketing work experiencse, how likely am I able to get a permit? What job opportunities are there that don't require German and French speaking?

Thank you so much!
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Old 01.10.2017, 19:23
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Marry a Swiss.

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Hello everyone,

I am a Chinese from New Zealand. I have been visiting a friend here several times over the years and found myself helplessly in love with this country. I would like to explore the possibility to settle here. Can you tell me, as a 45 years old female, third country citizen, speak only English and Chinese, with a Bachelor degree in Marketing and Sales & Marketing work experiencse, how likely am I able to get a permit? What job opportunities are there that don't require German and French speaking?

Thank you so much!
Well... flip it, what chance would a Swiss with the same qualification only speaking French and German have of getting a job in your field in China or New Zealand?

You'd need to find some willing to hire you, with no Swiss, existing permit holder, or EU person that could do the job. Not saying it's impossible, but without key in demand skills, I'm thinking it's going to be pretty tough

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Marry a Swiss.

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Or any EU national that lives in Switzerland, isn't it?

But yeah.. finding someone here to marry you would probably be the easiest way..

Apart from that, people speaking Chinese are in high demand in locations like Lucerne, Zurich, etc. for selling goods to Chinese tourists. Possibly also some marketing options could exist in that field.
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Apart from that, people speaking Chinese are in high demand in locations like Lucerne, Zurich, etc. for selling goods to Chinese tourists. Possibly also some marketing options could exist in that field.
Nah. Selling things to tourists is not going to get you a non-EU permit I'm afraid.
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Re: How likely to settle here

Welcome to the forum.

As said it will be difficult, but not necessarily impossible. It really depends on whether you can offer a Swiss employer experience/skills that they can't find here. The non-EU hiring criteria is outlined here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Swiss employers prefer Masters over just having a Bachelors so that won't help your chances I'm afraid.

Otherwise marriage or a registered same-sex partnership with a Swiss national or another nationality who already has a permit to live and work here is your only other option.
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Nah. Selling things to tourists is not going to get you a non-EU permit I'm afraid.
I know some selling experts who got a permit that way..

Or how many CH/EU nationals are experts in luxury watches AND speak mother tongue level Mandarin, Cantonese and strong Japanese?
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a 45 years old female,
Neatjun, in addition to the hurdles you face as a non-EU citizen without local language skills, there is another thing to consider if you are looking at trying to stay in Switzerland long term:

Age.

Very broadly speaking, there is a growing trend to get rid of older employees. 50 is the age where most first start to find themselves with a target painted on their backs, so you are not there yet. But it's not all that far off. You should be aware that a (corporate) career in Switzerland might not have the longevity you expect or need, and you should consider this attitude towards 50+ workers as you assess whether a move to Switzerland is attractive in the long term, or not.

Does everybody get fired well before retirement age? No, but it's a growing trend that shows no sign of changing, and the same attitudes that leads to wholesale firing of good employees in their 50s also make finding another job at that age difficult.

To get an idea of the attitudes towards older (only 50!) employees, this thread might be worth reading. Especially the comments from younger posters who take it as a given that older folks' no longer have the ability to contribute. That attitude is unfortunately prominent in Switzerland. That attitude is of course wrong, but it is widespread.

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...-over-50s.html

A non-EU citizen, unless married or in a registered partnership with someone established here, or fantastically wealthy, is particularly vulnerable. A job loss may well mean a loss of residence permit, having to up sticks and leave within a very short time.

That uncertainty should be factored into your decision making.

That said, while you face a difficult road to making your way here, it might not be impossible if you possess skills that others don't. Your fluency in Chinese plus marketing expertise should help, as China is increasingly an important player in the Swiss economy. Do you have a network here, connections to companies back home that do business in Switzerland? Networking will be key to finding a job.

Wishing you all the very best.
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Hello everyone,

I am a Chinese from New Zealand. I have been visiting a friend here several times over the years and found myself helplessly in love with this country. I would like to explore the possibility to settle here. Can you tell me, as a 45 years old female, third country citizen, speak only English and Chinese, with a Bachelor degree in Marketing and Sales & Marketing work experiencse, how likely am I able to get a permit? What job opportunities are there that don't require German and French speaking?

Thank you so much!
Look for companies what hire Chinese speakers.

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Well... flip it, what chance would a Swiss with the same qualification only speaking French and German have of getting a job in your field in China or New Zealand?

You'd need to find some willing to hire you, with no Swiss, existing permit holder, or EU person that could do the job. Not saying it's impossible, but without key in demand skills, I'm thinking it's going to be pretty tough
There is a demand for people who speak mandarin/Cantonese.

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Welcome to the forum.

As said it will be difficult, but not necessarily impossible. It really depends on whether you can offer a Swiss employer experience/skills that they can't find here. The non-EU hiring criteria is outlined here:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

Swiss employers prefer Masters over just having a Bachelors so that won't help your chances I'm afraid.

Otherwise marriage or a registered same-sex partnership with a Swiss national or another nationality who already has a permit to live and work here is your only other option.
Depending on the field of study (e.g. engineering) a bachelor from some countries (e.g. USA, Canada) is equivalent to a "bachelor" plus a master from Switzerland.

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depends heavily on the university anyway. Plenty of master "engineers" from the US have less skills than a Swiss apprentiship in their second year..
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depends heavily on the university anyway. Plenty of master "engineers" from the US have less skills than a Swiss apprentiship in their second year..
My US BSEE was always viewed as the equivalent of an ETHZ degree here.

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Re: How likely to settle here

Thank you all for your helpful advice from different angles, personal & professional, positive and not so positive. I really appreciate it.

I totally agree with Meloncollie that networking is the key in finding a job, thought someone on this forum may know that my skills could be of benefit to companies here in Switzerland...

I have genuine interest in learning languages, will come back when I can speak fluent French & German - definitely well before I turn 50’

Cheers!
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