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CDL to C Permit/Citizenship

Hello All,

Not sure this specific topic has been covered in any of the other thread. Eitherway with the rule changes, not sure of how things will pan out so here goes.

My sister has two children. As her Husband works for the UN here, they are all on Carte de Legitimation (CDL) cards.
Her eldest is 18 and has lived here for 3-4 years and her youngest (10 years) has lived here for around 6 years.
My question is pertaining to the possibility for the kids to obtain either a C Permit or Citizenship before the new rules officially kick in.
As the years spent before turning 18 count for double- the eldest has 8 years and younger kid has 12 years.

Could my elder niece officially apply for a C Permit based on the 8 years she has here? She is studying abroad but she will still retain her CDL till she is 25. Her official residence is still Switzerland. My sister's younger is in 5 grade and we are hoping she can apply for Swiss citizenship based on the 12 years.

Is the above possible? Both kids hae A2-B1 French.

Any experiences in this area? and how should we go about this is if it is possible....contact a lawyer?

Many thanks in advance folks

P.S: They are all non-EU.
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Hello All,

Not sure this specific topic has been covered in any of the other thread. Eitherway with the rule changes, not sure of how things will pan out so here goes.

My sister has two children. As her Husband works for the UN here, they are all on Carte de Legitimation (CDL) cards.
Her eldest is 18 and has lived here for 3-4 years and her youngest (10 years) has lived here for around 6 years.
My question is pertaining to the possibility for the kids to obtain either a C Permit or Citizenship before the new rules officially kick in.
As the years spent before turning 18 count for double- the eldest has 8 years and younger kid has 12 years.

Could my elder niece officially apply for a C Permit based on the 8 years she has here? She is studying abroad but she will still retain her CDL till she is 25. Her official residence is still Switzerland. My sister's younger is in 5 grade and we are hoping she can apply for Swiss citizenship based on the 12 years.

Is the above possible? Both kids hae A2-B1 French.

Any experiences in this area? and how should we go about this is if it is possible....contact a lawyer?

Many thanks in advance folks

P.S: They are all non-EU.
Only the years between 10 and 20 count under the current law, so the youngest has only been here 6 years and therefore does not meet the 12 year requirement. The eldest has also not been here long enough to apply. There are no grounds for either child to obtain either Swiss nationality or a C permit based solely on the information provided. Contacting a lawyer would not help you and would only cost money.
Also how is their French so basic if they’ve been here so long? Even if the residence requirement was met, such basic French would likely hinder their ability to prove that they’re integrated, but these conditions vary cantonally.
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Also they get their CDL's under family reunification regulations so there's no justification for them to be granted C permits. Only if the main permit holder gets a job with a non-NGO Swiss employer would their permits change or if the eldest gets a job with a Swiss employer and therefore obtains her own independent permit. In either case though the permits would probably be Bs which they could apply for citizenship with under the current law (but not the new one), but they still don't meet the residency requirements.
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Only the years between 10 and 20 count under the current law, so the youngest has only been here 6 years and therefore does not meet the 12 year requirement. The eldest has also not been here long enough to apply. There are no grounds for either child to obtain either Swiss nationality or a C permit based solely on the information provided. Contacting a lawyer would not help you and would only cost money.
Also how is their French so basic if they’ve been here so long? Even if the residence requirement was met, such basic French would likely hinder their ability to prove that they’re integrated, but these conditions vary cantonally.
Thanks for the reply....I appreciate your perspective on this and the information provided. I have seen a few colleagues of mine whose children are 12 and have applied for Swiss citizenship after living here for around 6 years thats why I asked. As I understand different cases could be different.

Also, I dont see B1 French as basic.
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Also, I dont see B1 French as basic.
Just one level above that:

  • Can understand the main points of clear standard input on familiar matters regularly encountered in work, school, leisure, etc.
  • Can deal with most situations likely to arise while travelling in an area where the language is spoken.
  • Can produce simple connected text on topics that are familiar or of personal interest.
  • Can describe experiences and events, dreams, hopes and ambitions and briefly give reasons and explanations for opinions and plans.
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Thanks for the reply....I appreciate your perspective on this and the information provided. I have seen a few colleagues of mine whose children are 12 and have applied for Swiss citizenship after living here for around 6 years thats why I asked. As I understand different cases could be different.

Also, I dont see B1 French as basic.
There are no different cases, only different circumstances. If they got Swiss citizenship it wasn't because they met the residency requirements.
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