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B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

I'm a US citizen living in CH with a b-permit, and tomorrow I'm leaving for Sweden for 2 weeks. I have my US passport, but I can't find my permit card. Will this be checked for when I fly out/in from either CH or SE? If I reported it lost before my flight with the police, would they be able to give me a document to prove my residency in CH for when asked about my permit, or is this unnecessary?
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Re: B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

It's never checked.. It has nothing to do with travelling.

You'll be fine.
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Old 12.11.2017, 14:04
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Re: B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

A non-EU going through non-EU passport control? I would expect it to be checked. Report it your gemeinde/commune admin office tomorrow before you leave and they should be able to give you a temporary document confirming you live and work here.

And in future make sure you keep both passport and permit together.
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Re: B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

I thought if you're traveling within Schegan area, you don't go through passport control?
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Old 12.11.2017, 16:20
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Re: B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

even if you travel outside of SChengen, on the passcontrol they check your passport or "home"-ID.
I was never asked for my swiss permit.
and I don't carry it with me her in CH. I was told, it's not necessery to have it with me, so I have only my CH driving licence with me.
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Old 12.11.2017, 16:47
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A non-EU going through non-EU passport control? I would expect it to be checked. Report it your gemeinde/commune admin office tomorrow before you leave and they should be able to give you a temporary document confirming you live and work here.

And in future make sure you keep both passport and permit together.
I don't see what it has to do with travelling . Sure possibly one could be asked on return 'what you coming to CH for?' .. But they have computers, a passport is required to obtain the B/C permit, they can check it in seconds. It most likely pops up on the screen when the passport is scanned.

Of course if it's lost then report it but it's sure not a travel prerequisite.
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Old 12.11.2017, 16:48
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Re: B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

Wasn´t there a very very lengthy thread a while ago on whether you need to carry your permit or not?

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Old 12.11.2017, 16:56
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Wasn´t there a very very lengthy thread a while ago on whether you need to carry your permit or not?

I'm sure there have been 25 at least

Eg : No you can't use it in place of a passport etc.. Because it's not a travel document.

In five years I've never showed it once in a travel situation. Inside or outside of EU. I think the only times i've used it (after initial bank account opening etc) was moving house.
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...In five years I've never showed it once in a travel situation. Inside or outside of EU. I think the only times i've used it (after initial bank account opening etc) was moving house.
Might this be because you're an EU citizen? I was non-EU/non-Swiss for a long time and here's what I experienced when traveling by airplane:

Prior to gaining Swiss citizenship, what happened to me with the airlines:
When traveling outside Shengen into Shengen, I had to prove to the airline that I had permission to stay in Switzerland or that I had a return flight back out. Airlines don't want to risk flying a passenger all that way only to have them be turned back.

Today, with the airlines:
I still have to enter the U.S. on my U.S. passport and that's what the airline computers keep in the system. I can check in online for the return flight to Switzerland, but I can't print a boarding pass even if I only have hand luggage. I have to show my Swiss passport at check-in to get the boarding pass, to prove I'm not going to be denied entry.

Prior to Swiss citizenship, at immigration:
I needed to show my permit along with my U.S. passport to prove I wasn't a tourist that was subject to the 90 days out of 180 rule.

Today, with immigration:
I have to show my Swiss passport upon exit and entry, again to prove I'm allowed to be here.

Then and now, if traveling within Shengen: I only use the passport as identification and the permit wasn't/isn't needed.

In OP's case I think it will be fine with the passport as ID, since there's no immigration check.
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Old 12.11.2017, 18:14
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Re: B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

You're supposed to have the permit:
Foreign nationals from non-EU/EFTA states – travelling in the Schengen area

Foreign nationals from non-EU/EFTA states in possession of a valid Swiss foreign national permit B, C, L or Ci do not require a visa to visit a country in the Schengen area (up to 90 days within a 180-day period). However, you must carry a valid Swiss residence permit and valid travel documents (your passport or a Swiss travel document for foreign nationals).
via https://www.ch.ch/en/travelling-abroad/

But in practical terms they almost never ask for it so have a good trip
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Old 12.11.2017, 18:47
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Re: B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

And if all the info above doesn't put your mind at rest, carry your Swiss driving licence plus the 2 most recent utility bills that carry your Swiss address on them. I carry those anyway in case a car hire company ask for them, which sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.
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Re: B-Permit holder traveling to Sweden tomorrow. Can't find permit card.

One should have it but they got it in the system, I am almost certain.
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I'm a US citizen living in CH with a b-permit, and tomorrow I'm leaving for Sweden for 2 weeks. I have my US passport, but I can't find my permit card.
Not sure, but if Sweden is like most other European countries there is a visa waiver agreement between the US and Sweden for stays up to 90 days.
I would says you will have no problems entering Sweden even w/o your permit.

Problem is that you have no Schengen stamp from Switzerland in your passport which you should have. If you are checked during your stay the legitimacy of your stay may not be easely proved. Expect a trip to the police station and some explanation.

Comming back to Switzerland might be an issue as you most likely will not have an onward ticked "back home to the U.S." with the next 90 days. In the worst case you will be denied boarding by the airline in Sweden. Not much to argue there as they will have to pay huge fines in case they bring an illegal immigrant.
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In five years I've never showed it once in a travel situation. Inside or outside of EU. I think the only times i've used it (after initial bank account opening etc) was moving house.
If asked by the authorities you are required to be able to identify yourself and justify your presence in the Schengen area. If you are unable to do so, then the authorities are entitled to detain you until such time as they have satisfied themselves of your identity.

If there is a security incident while you are travelling and they start checking people, you may have a problem. At the end of the day it is up to you.
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If there is a security incident while you are travelling and they start checking people, you may have a problem. At the end of the day it is up to you.
And that's the biggest factor. It's the one scenario that we have no control over, and where usual 'rules' go out of the window.

I've been asked for my permit once in 2yrs, travelling through the border from Konstanz on a Flixbus.
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