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Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

Recently I have received B permit and I am a non-EU. Previous the length of B permit were 2(L-Permit) + 4(B Permit) but last year they changed it to 2+2 but I heard this year again there was some change. I am confused and want to know is there any specific role for it? or it totally depends on immigration.

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Old 29.11.2017, 17:45
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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

I am confused about what your question is. Did you want to have a C permit?
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Old 29.11.2017, 17:57
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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

If you're asking about the length of time on a tied B, I don't think that's a set period. L permits can only be for up to 2 years, but there's nothing in the Foreign Nationals Act that specifies the same for non-EU B permit holders.
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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

He is asking how long the B permit is valid for NON-EU citizens. I think its 2 years as L permit and 2 years on B permit. B can be extended for another 2 or 4 years as before.
In some cases we have seen visas granted for 4 years straight and in some cases we got extensions granted 1 year only. I think it is all case by case.
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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

Thanks a lot everybody for reply.CHLTSR has answered my question
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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

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He is asking how long the B permit is valid for NON-EU citizens. I think its 2 years as L permit and 2 years on B permit. B can be extended for another 2 or 4 years as before.
In some cases we have seen visas granted for 4 years straight and in some cases we got extensions granted 1 year only. I think it is all case by case.
Hi, CHLTSR,
Are you saying the AWA normally approves for 2 years B work permit? but I heard normally 5 years, then every year do renewal/extension, meaning AWA still needs to approve but normally no refusal.
And for non-EU, Migrationsamt normally renews residency permit yearly in the first 5 years based on the AWA approval, then afterwards could be longer, e.g. 2 years or 5 years.
So I am bit confused, can you please explain a bit?

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Old 01.12.2017, 21:37
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Hi, CHLTSR,
Are you saying the AWA normally approves for 2 years B work permit? but I heard normally 5 years, then every year do renewal/extension, meaning AWA still needs to approve but normally no refusal.
And for non-EU, Migrationsamt normally renews residency permit yearly in the first 5 years based on the AWA approval, then afterwards could be longer, e.g. 2 years or 5 years.
So I am bit confused, can you please explain a bit?

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EU most of the time gets 5 years, B for non EU often will be granted for one year and then extended for another year
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EU most of the time gets 5 years, B for non EU often will be granted for one year and then extended for another year
Yeah, but there are 2 different things, one is work permit from Amt fuer Wirtschaft und Arbeit and can be multi-year from the beginning, the other is residence permit from Migrationsamt and is normally yearly renewed for 5 year (non-EU), then maybe longer (e.g. 2/3 years) after that. But I have not heard of 2 (L(+2(B)+4(B), is this for work permit or residence permit or both? And according to my understanding, residence permit depends on work permit, meaning no problem for residence if work is approved.
Good to understand this more. Thanks.

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Old 01.12.2017, 21:55
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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

Have a look at the forum part, it has been well explained how permits for non EU work
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Old 01.12.2017, 21:58
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Yeah, but there are 2 different things, one is work permit from Amt fuer Wirtschaft und Arbeit and can be multi-year from the beginning, the other is residence permit from Migrationsamt and is normally yearly renewed for 5 year (non-EU), then maybe longer (e.g. 2/3 years) after that. But I have not heard of 2 (L(+2(B)+4(B), is this for work permit or residence permit or both? And according to my understanding, residence permit depends on work permit, meaning no problem for residence if work is approved.
Good to understand this more. Thanks.

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There is no difference. Your residence permit is also your work permit. As a non-EU national if you don't have a job here you don't have a permit - unless you're married to a Swiss/EU national or a non-EU national who already has a permit.
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There is no difference. Your residence permit is also your work permit. As a non-EU national if you don't have a job here you don't have a permit - unless you're married to a Swiss/EU national or a non-EU national who already has a permit.
I understand there is no residence permit when you don't have a job, but if you have a job, the AWA will not necessarily give you more than one year approval, so you need to submit the request every year. But if they give you unlimited work permit, you just need to ask Migration Office to renew your residence permit and they will not refuse as long as you have a job instead of first going through Labor Office for approval.
Hope my understanding is correct.
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But if they give you unlimited work permit, you just need to ask Migration Office to renew your residence permit and they will not refuse as long as you have a job instead of first going through Labor Office for approval.
Hope my understanding is correct.
No, your work permit is also your residency permit...!

And that permit can be extended for quite some time on a yearly basis even with an open ended contract.
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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

Your permit is both residence and work, they aren't two different things. If you have what we call an "open" B permit which means it isn't tied to your employer, you're effectively the same as EU nationals in that you can change jobs without coming under the non-EU hiring rules, you can move to another canton without needing to ask permission first and usually the permit is valid for 5 years as an EU B permit is.

A tied B permit has to be renewed annually.
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Your permit is both residence and work, they aren't two different things. If you have what we call an "open" B permit which means it isn't tied to your employer, you're effectively the same as EU nationals in that you can change jobs without coming under the non-EU hiring rules, you can move to another canton without needing to ask permission first and usually the permit is valid for 5 years as an EU B permit is.

A tied B permit has to be renewed annually.
ok, but in my case, I have an unlimited approval from labor office and they told me I can change job freely (meaning open), but migration offices still renews my residence permit yearly because this is only my second year with B. Of course, I need to have a job when I ask for renewal next year, but migration office does not need to wait for labor office approval, like they did in the past 4 years for my L permit and B permit, but just renew it right away.
This is my understanding after talking with both authorities.

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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

If it's only your second year on a B, then it may need to be renewed annually at the moment, but after the second year it may become renewable every 5 years.
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If it's only your second year on a B, then it may need to be renewed annually at the moment, but after the second year it may become renewable every 5 years.
ok, this year I requested 2 years to migration office, but they still wanted to give me 1 year after receiving the unlimited approval from labor office. But according to your experience, maybe should I apply for 5 years next year? It will only be the decision made by migration office next year as they will not need to wait for labor office decision, right? because before they always told me the duration depends on labor office, but they still did not give me 2 years although I got unlimited from labor office this year, probably because it's only my second year on B?
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Re: Validity for B permit for Non-EU?

You can ask for anything, what you get is up to the authorities, simple as that
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Recently I have received B permit and I am a non-EU. Previous the length of B permit were 2(L-Permit) + 4(B Permit) but last year they changed it to 2+2 but I heard this year again there was some change. I am confused and want to know is there any specific role for it? or it totally depends on immigration.

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I feel somehow everyone understood the question wrongly from anupam. i guess he has a B permit from an Indian consulting company and now asking for how long his B permit can be extended. as he says, previously ZH immigration was extending the B permit to a maximum of 4 years (with yearly renewals) and in the last few years they reduced it to only 2 years.so anyone who comes to Switzerland with a permit from an Indian consulting firm can only stay for a maximum of 4 years (2 years on L + 2 years on B) provided he gets a B permit out of the quota assigned to that company. before it was possible to stay 6 years (2L+4B). please note in all the cases the B permit will be valid only for a year and has to be extended yearly and more worse what i have heard is that ZH immigration was even extending only until the contract validity time which means some employees got only B permits valid for 4 months or so and then when they got the new contract , they had to extend it for another 8 months.

and the answer as far as i know is NO, ZH immigration still restricts these kind of B permits to a maximum of 2 years. these type of B permits are very very restricted and after this 2 years, the company should apply for an open B permit which the company would never do.

anupam, you may ask any of your collegues in other indian consulting firms if anyone was able to extend B permit beyond 2 years.

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