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From US to Germany(work) to Switzerland(marriage)

Hi I hope someone could give me a little advice. I Moved to Baden Wurttemberg Deutschland almost a year ago. Since then I met a wonderful woman that lives in Switzerland. She is a Swiss national born and raised there. We want to get married and of course live together and we have been doing as much research as possible on how this can possibly be done in the least complicated way(even though everyway is complicated!). After contacting the Swiss Embassy in america, Germany, and Switzerland and asking many questions; we were told that I must first file a family reunification document
and normally where the marriage license document would be given: write a letter explaining that I want to get married and also I need a temporary visa that allows this(two seperate departments). I believe from what I understand, once I am married I can then file for a longer stay visa. So in us figuring all this out my fiance thought of something that sounds the most logical and this is where I need advice. We started thinking that it would make more sense if we married here in Germany and then do a family reunification and request that our marriage in germany is registered in Switzerland. I have spoken to my town and know this can be done. What do you think? Thank you for your help.
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That would be easiest.

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https://www.ch.ch/en/wedding-abroad/
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After contacting the Swiss Embassy in america, Germany, and Switzerland and asking many questions; we were told that I must first file a family reunification document and normally where the marriage license document would be given: write a letter explaining that I want to get married and also I need a temporary visa that allows this(two seperate departments). I believe from what I understand, once I am married I can then file for a longer stay visa.

So in us figuring all this out my fiance thought of something that sounds the most logical and this is where I need advice. We started thinking that it would make more sense if we married here in Germany and then do a family reunification and request that our marriage in germany is registered in Switzerland. I have spoken to my town and know this can be done. What do you think? Thank you for your help.
AFAIK: You only need to be legally in Switzerland to marry in Switzerland. This can even be as a tourist. As a US person, and specially as a person living in Germany there is no need for a special visa to be in Switzerland as a Tourist.

For the second step, actually moving to Switzerland and live here long term you will need the visa. But you will need this regardless where you will marry.

Germany, like Switzerland will need a lot of documents which have to be translated, legalized etc. Faster and simpler is to marry in the US.

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Marriage procedures are much more complicated and costly in Switzerland than they are in the United States. This is due to the civil law requirements, some of which might even be seen as bureaucratic red tape to an outsider. The Swiss civil registrar in the town or city where the marriage is to take place may even require some additional documents which are not mentioned below. The procedures may also vary from one canton (state) to another.
Source with lot of other useful information: https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/u.../marriage.html

I once heard it is also simpler to get married in Denmark.
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Re: From US to Germany(work) to Switzerland(marriage)

Thanks maybe I misunderstood them and am going to contact them for clarification, because I thought they changed the law in 2012 and now I must have a residency more than a tourist visa first. I found this link that seemed helpful, but not sure:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askswitzerl...marry_a_swiss/
thanks for your help I will let you know what they say to me.
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Thanks maybe I misunderstood them and am going to contact them for clarification, because I thought they changed the law in 2012 and now I must have a residency more than a tourist visa first..
Not aware about such a change nor did I find anything in the relevant laws. The only thing marriage related is about forced marriage which was voted in 2012 and came into force 2013. https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/official.../2013/1035.pdf
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...lation/14.html


Here on the topic of binational marriage in German and apparently up to date, they also say a tourist stay is o.k. as long as it is not an over stay. In your case you can be up to 90 days in any given 180 day period.
https://www.beobachter.ch/migration/...n-ohne-grenzen
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So I called and they told me since I now live in Germany even on a work visa I have to talk with Stuttgart but the person I spoke to was very evassive when I asked what I heard before about if I can marry before obtaining a visa in Switzerland because originally that's what they told me. I don't see the point of marrying in Germany if a residence visa isn't needed to get married. What I do know is they wanted various documents and then originally I was suppose to submit them to NYC and they send it to Zurich. This was in regards to family planning?(forgot what it's called). I tried asking what those papers being sent in do. I wasn't sure if they send it into Zurich and they approve the marriage and we are married or? Thanks if you can clear this up. Seems like I get more questions than answers.
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Re: From US to Germany(work) to Switzerland(marriage)

You're over complicating things.

a) Marry in Germany.

b) Get the marriage recognised by the Swiss embassy/consulate as per the instructions in my previous link and apply for family reunification at the same time. The requirements are laid out here:

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification-eu-efta/

You may need a Type D visa to be able to enter Switzerland long term, i.e. more than 90 days. Check this with the embassy.

You don't have to send the documents to NYC, you apply for the Type D visa in the country you're resident in which is Germany.

c) Once it's all approved, move to Switzerland.
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Re: From US to Germany(work) to Switzerland(marriage)

You are over complicating this!

If you are a legal resident in German you do not need a D visa to enter for residency or marriage. So stay away from the embassy!

You can marry either in Switzerland or Germany. Pick the one you want.

After you are married you apply for the residence permit. Just make sure you are not in Switzerland longer than 90 days before you marry nor in a position where your German residency has expired.
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Re: From US to Germany(work) to Switzerland(marriage)

My Canadian/Swiss wife and I got married while on vacation in the US (we were both Swiss residents at the time).

Came back, they wanted CH35 to recognize her part of the marriage and remove her Swiss citizenship.

(my part was cool)

Fortunately, the same thing had happened to the sister of a Swiss lawyer friend when she married a German in Germany, so he knew how to deal with it.

However, for 6 months, I was married and my wife NOT!

In the end, we paid the CHF 35, and she got to keep her Swiss citizenship, and her marriage date was backdated to the same as mine.

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AFAIK: You only need to be legally in Switzerland to marry in Switzerland. This can even be as a tourist. As a US person, and specially as a person living in Germany there is no need for a special visa to be in Switzerland as a Tourist.

For the second step, actually moving to Switzerland and live here long term you will need the visa. But you will need this regardless where you will marry.

Germany, like Switzerland will need a lot of documents which have to be translated, legalized etc. Faster and simpler is to marry in the US.

Event the Swiss Embassy states:

Source with lot of other useful information: https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/u.../marriage.html

I once heard it is also simpler to get married in Denmark.
Except all her papers will need to be translated
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Except all her papers will need to be translated
Switzerland generally accepts documents in English.
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Re: From US to Germany(work) to Switzerland(marriage)

Thank you all for so much advice its very helpul,
MiniMia, what you said sounds what we will do. step 1: I will get all my documents that are needed(and anything extra just to be safe) from america.

step 2: Then we will just go to the marriage office with all our documents in zurich and say here is all our papers and we want to get married asap. Then I believe they will process everything and marry us in zurich.

Step 3: From what I understand I still have my german visa so I can technically move to switzerland and file for visa permit while i am there.

Step 3 maybe i dont have exactly correct, but i think whats most important is step1/2 being completed then 3 should fall into place.--I hope
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Don't confuse a visa with a permit !

You have a German residence permit, yes?
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I have my US passport. When I first came to germany I went to the auslanderboheren and applied for a work visa. My job here in germany gave me a contract, I have to prove i had an apartment in germany and also german health insurance. I then received a special sticker they put in my passport allowing me to live here for a year extendable to 3 as long as i stay with the same company. I am also registered in my town to my address so that must make me a resident? Resident permit is the paper I received from my town saying I am residing at my address here in germany?
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Either the stamp in your passport or the paper. Don't know how the German system works.
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Switzerland generally accepts documents in English.
SwissintheUS wrote: <<Germany, like Switzerland will need a lot of documents which have to be translated, legalized etc. Faster and simpler is to marry in the US. >>
To which I replied << Except all her papers will need to be translated >> (she being Swiss).

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SwissintheUS wrote: <<Germany, like Switzerland will need a lot of documents which have to be translated, legalized etc. Faster and simpler is to marry in the US. >>
To which I replied << Except all her papers will need to be translated >> (she being Swiss).

"All her papers" would be the passport and that is already in English.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/content/dam...%20USA%20D.pdf
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Except all her papers will need to be translated
Actually, not.

We got married in the US, her divorce papers were in German, the women at the town hall said 'just tell me what it says'.

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