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Please advice - Lost job Permit B

Hi everyone,

I am Maximilien, 26 years old and come from France.
I have come to Switzerland 3 month ago for a permanent job in Marketing and got a B Permit for 5 years. Unfortunatly I lost my job and can not get some compensation "chomage" as I have previously not contributed to unemployment fund, as I just finished my studies.

I have received a letter today from the autorities that I will lose my B permit and that they might give me a Pemrit L to let me some time to find a job, only if my financial ressources are enough, if not they would sent me back to France.

The issue is that I don´t have a lot of financial resources. What if I ask for the social compensation? Would it automatically make my situation in trouble with the risk to be rejected from Switzerland?
I red that if someone become umemployed in Switzerland, he can still stay 6 month to find a job before getting into trouble. If I could have the social help, I am confident that I could stay here and pay my bills.

Thank you in advance for your help,

Maximilien Guez
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What institute do you plan to ask for money?

But very simple.

You have no job and you have no money and are not entitled to social support in whatever form. That leaves basically two options: Find a job really quickly or go back to France (besides finding a partner who sponsors you and such)

Also check what your rental contract (and other contracts say) If leaving is your best option, it might be smart to cancel asap or start looking for a nachmieter asap to cut the losses.
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Re: Please advice - Lost job Permit B

Your permit won't be extended if you are on social help.

Aside from that, social welfare (if due to unemployment) is typically only an option only once unemployment runs out - you're not eligible for that, so I don't see how you would be eligible for social help at all and doubt you'd get any.

You might (! not confirmed) be able to stay for a while (3 months) on a jobseeker permit if you can afford it. With your own money and sans support from the state that is.

Other than that, you have no choice but to go back to France. Or find another job essentially immediately of course.
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What institute do you plan to ask for money?

But very simple.

You have no job and you have no money and are not entitled to social support in whatever form. That leaves basically two options: Find a job really quickly or go back to France (besides finding a partner who sponsors you and such)

Also check what your rental contract (and other contracts say) If leaving is your best option, it might be smart to cancel asap or start looking for a nachmieter asap to cut the losses.

The social help I could ask is calle "Revenu Minimum". This covers the rent, social assurance and is given to people who don´t have any activities and financial resources. I had already one meeting with someone of this institute and I would be eligible. Do you think I should´t ask for it?
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Re: Please advice - Lost job Permit B

But isn´t that a French social support rather than a Swiss one? That wouldn´t allow you to stay in Switzerland I´d think as you´d need to live in France to get that
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But isn´t that a French social support rather than a Swiss one? That wouldn´t allow you to stay in Switzerland I´d think as you´d need to live in France to get that
No it is a swiss social help:

http://www.migraweb.ch/en/themen/soc...t/sozialhilfe/

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Your permit won't be extended if you are on social help.

Aside from that, social welfare (if due to unemployment) is typically only an option only once unemployment runs out - you're not eligible for that, so I don't see how you would be eligible for social help at all and doubt you'd get any.

You might (! not confirmed) be able to stay for a while (3 months) on a jobseeker permit if you can afford it. With your own money and sans support from the state that is.

Other than that, you have no choice but to go back to France. Or find another job essentially immediately of course.


Hi, what do you mean "only once unemployment runs out" because I would be eligible infact, as I am unemployed

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Re: Please advice - Lost job Permit B

Social help normally only kicks in when you no longer are entitled to unemployment money from ALK.

I am actually surprised you would be entitled to that after only working here for 3 months
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Hi, what do you mean "only once unemployment runs out" because I would be eligible infact, as I am unemployed
See above in my comment you quoted. Unemployment first, if that runs out, social help.

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I would be eligible.
The two are mutually exclusive. You'd only get a permit if you can finance yourself. No permit = not allowed to stay = no social help, and vice versa.

So no, not happening.

And I still believe you wouldn't be eligible in the first place. Why would you be, after working here for 3 months, if you're not even eligible for unemployment money? Makes zero sense. Social help is the absolute last resort. Not an alternative to unemployment money.
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The social help I could ask is calle "Revenu Minimum". This covers the rent, social assurance and is given to people who don´t have any activities and financial resources. I had already one meeting with someone of this institute and I would be eligible. Do you think I should´t ask for it?
Thank you,
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I think they are mistaken. If you've only been here 3 months and your permit is effectively being revoked, I don't think you'd qualify. Nor do I think the cantonal migration office would accept that as you being financially able to support yourself to get a job seeker permit. They expect you to produce bank statements showing you have sufficient funds to support yourself for the next 3 months (CHF100 per day - CHF9,000), not to turn up with a social help document.

As EdwinNL said, if you have to go back to France check your various contracts regarding termination, particularly your rental contract. This would have to be done in writing and sent by registered post.
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See above in my comment you quoted. Unemployment first, if that runs out, social help.

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The two are mutually exclusive. You'd only get a permit if you can finance yourself. No permit = not allowed to stay = no social help, and vice versa.

So no, not happening.

And I still believe you wouldn't be eligible in the first place. Why would you be, after working here for 3 months, if you're not even eligible for unemployment money? Makes zero sense. Social help is the absolute last resort. Not an alternative to unemployment money.

Well unemployment money and social welfare are completely different.
I can not have unemployment money as I dind´t worked enough during the past month, so I dind´t contributed to the umemployment fund.
Social welfare is not given regarding how long you previsouly worked, it is just a vital minimum help given to anyone one that is on real financial difficulties like me right now.
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Well unemployment money and social welfare are completely different.
I can not have unemployment money as I dind´t worked enough during the past month, so I dind´t contributed to the umemployment fund.
Social welfare is not given regarding how long you previsouly worked, it is just a vital minimum help given to anyone one that is on real financial difficulties like me right now.
No, not when you have not first worked long enough to be entitled to unemployment money and then social help afterwards if you still haven´t found a job.

Your permit will be revoked and either you find a job or have to return to France, as other have already written.
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Job-seeking EU citizens in Switzerland are generally excluded from social welfare. If the EU job-seeker's financial means are insufficient and applies for social welfare, the Swiss authorities may deport the job-seeker. The cantons are not required to provide social welfare. See this:

"8.2.5.3 Genereller Ausschluss von Sozialhilfeleistungen
Stellensuchende EU/EFTA-Staatsangehörige haben aber gemäss Artikel 2 Absatz 1 und 24 Absatz 2 Anhang I FZA keinen Rechtsanspruch auf Bezug von Sozialhilfe. Reichen die finanziellen Mittel für den Lebensunterhalt nicht aus und beantragen diese Personen Sozialhilfe, können sie weggewiesen werden. Die Kantone sind nicht verpflichtet, sie zu unterstützen."

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Well unemployment money and social welfare are completely different.
I can not have unemployment money as I dind´t worked enough during the past month, so I dind´t contributed to the umemployment fund.
Social welfare is not given regarding how long you previsouly worked, it is just a vital minimum help given to anyone one that is on real financial difficulties like me right now.
On your theory any EU national could turn up here and apply for social welfare while they job hunt. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

English translation of Mullhollander's link:

"8.2.5.3 General exclusion of social assistance benefits
Jobseekers EU / EFTA nationals, however, have no legal entitlement to social assistance under Article 2 (1) and Article 24 (2) of Annex I FTA. If the financial means of subsistence are not enough and these people apply for social assistance, they can be turned away. The cantons are not obliged to support them."

If you cannot find a new job quickly, you'll have to return to France and apply for jobs from there.
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Thank you everyone,
it is more clear now and I understand more.
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Hi,

Today, I have been confirmed that I am eligible to social warfare and that they will give me some help till I have my B Permit.

I still have a question. Will it be no issue for me to get the L Permit when I will lose the B one, if I have been received some social welfare? (even if it was just for 1 month)
One of my relatives wil be able to help me financially so I can prove to the State that I have enough financial resources.

Thank you in advance,

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Hi,

Today, I have been confirmed that I am eligible to social warfare and that they will give me some help till I have my B Permit.

I still have a question. Will it be no issue for me to get the L Permit when I will lose the B one, if I have been received some social welfare? (even if it was just for 1 month)
One of my relatives wil be able to help me financially so I can prove to the State that I have enough financial resources.

Thank you in advance,

Maximilien
You sure you want to go for the Social Assistance? I'd advise against it, as far as I'm aware you'll have to pay it back once you get a job and it can have an influence in future on getting residence permits, finding accommodation etc. You're only young, surely there's another option?
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Today, I have been confirmed that I am eligible to social warfare a
On what basis are they granting you this welfare?

It is contrary to everything I have heard and read so far
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