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What to say at passport control?

Hello everyone,

I have a uniquely odd question, that maybe someone knows the answer to:

I am an EU resident, on a B permit in Vaud.
My spouse is arriving and is a non-EU citizen.

She is from one of the three countries in the world that do NOT require a Schengen D Visa for stays of over 90 days. (There are only three countries, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei) - everyone else needs the visa.

She is on her way in fact, and has the cantonal permit form that my employer submitted - the application for my own permit and she is listed on their as an accompanying family member.

She is also carrying a copy of my permit, and our marriage certificate.

My question: when she arrives at passport control in Geneva, does she mention that she is coming for family reunification? My HR department seems to think it is all sorted and fine. But my feeling is that it's not that simple: she would be stamped in as a tourist, otherwise.

Normally, if there were a visa, this would carry the authorisation in it and it would be in the passport for all to see.

However, if you know anything Id love to hear. Maybe she should announce to them "I am here for family reunification and here are the papers"?

Thank you,
and happy new year!
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Old 31.12.2017, 20:18
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Re: What to say at passport control?

Just answer honestly what they ask, or not ask and just walk through
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Re: What to say at passport control?

Is she flying directly to Genčve from a non-Schengen destination? If so, she will have to show all of the paperwork that you have mentioned and explain her situation.

If her permit is already being sorted in Berne, it will show up on the passport control computers, especially since she is carrying a copy of your permit. I would not worry.

If her final destination is Genčve through a connection like Frankfurt or whatever, she will have a much more difficult time.
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Re: What to say at passport control?

She is flying to Geneva from non Schengen.

BA were having none of the papers and made her buy another ticket back to Singapore before letting her go this time on the one way flight.

The issue is this: I have seen her name and details as an accompanying family member on the canton permit document , clearly listed back in August. Sent to canton and my permit was approved.

I know that the D visa is mandatory for almost all so this situation rarely arises however since she doesn’t require the visa it’s an odd scenario. HR think it is fine. But it seems odd to me that an authorisation number was not sent to the Swiss Embassy there. Where’s the official mention that this is approved? Even if it will be approved, surely this would be a formality. I don’t think many countries allow people to just turn up like that.
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Re: What to say at passport control?

Actually it's 5

"Nationals of the following states do not require a visa to enter Switzerland under any circumstances: Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore.

However, the competent Swiss authority will issue a prior authorisation of a residence permit in the following cases:

a) for a stay of more than 90 days, or

b) a stay involving gainful employment:
lasting more than eight days, or
from the first day of work in the primary or auxiliary construction sectors, the hospitality sector, industrial or private cleaning services, surveillance and security services, itinerant sales and services or erotic services.

This prior authorisation of a residence permit is issued directly to the foreign national, or to a third party (employer), by the cantonal migration authority. The Swiss diplomatic or consular mission is not involved in this procedure."

https://www.eda.admin.ch/content/dam...witzerland.pdf

"Malaysian citizens
Applications for a residence permit from holders of a Malaysian passport for stays in Switzerland of more than 90 days for any travel purposes including gainful activity must be submitted directly at the cantonal migration authority. The Regional Consular Center in Bangkok is not involved in the process and cannot answer inquiries regarding the documentary requirements or the application processing time.
This regulation applies to citizens of Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore, according to the directives of the State Secretariat for Migration SEM for the issuance of national visa."

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/dam...national-f.pdf

If she's listed it should be okay. Cross fingers.
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Re: What to say at passport control?

Wow thank you for quoting the rules. It does seem to match the scenario. Thank you for searching it out. Hopefully it will go as described.

Happy new year to you and all
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BA were having none of the papers and made her buy another ticket back to Singapore before letting her go this time on the one way flight.
Once your wife is safely in the country, I'd suggest going after BA for a refund. Maybe they were within their rights to ignore the papers, maybe not, but you've nothing to lose by chasing it up.
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Old 01.01.2018, 08:47
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She is on her way in fact .....
Has she arrived? How did it go?
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Has she arrived? How did it go?
He probably had other things in mind rather than updating us on the situation....
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Re: What to say at passport control?

Gruezi :-)
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He probably had other things in mind rather than updating us on the situation....
Like what? What could be more important than updating a bunch of strangers on the internet???
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Old 01.01.2018, 16:04
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Like what? What could be more important than updating a bunch of strangers on the internet???
Only if it can be done between the bed sheet http://www.englishforum.ch/images/smilies/smile.gif
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Old 01.01.2018, 17:12
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Like what? What could be more important than updating a bunch of strangers on the internet???
Sex.

HTH.
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Old 01.01.2018, 19:27
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He probably had other things in mind rather than updating us on the situation....
LOL, yes that's what crossed my mind too.
We won't hear from him until there is a French-learning-problem. Then the job-hunting-spouse. Followed - hopefully not - the which country to divorce.

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Sex.

HTH.
Based on the list of countries from which OP's wife could have traveled, she had a long trip. I am guessing she needs sleep of the sleep kind. Not sleep of the sex kind. But I could be wrong.
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Based on the list of countries from which OP's wife could have traveled, she had a long trip. I am guessing she needs sleep of the sleep kind. Not sleep of the sex kind. But I could be wrong.
I sure hope you are wrong. Geee, how long have you been married?
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I sure hope you are wrong. Geee, how long have you been married?
LOL! I just returned on long-haul flights yesterday. I was unconscious by 21:00 and I didn't bother to ask Mr Wishes how he felt about that.
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You're not the adventurous type, are you?

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca...ontario/ottawa

There is a good reason for that
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Re: What to say at passport control?

I was just looking and saw I had not updated this.

So what happened?

She got in quite easily and did not show documents to passport co trip. Came in as a tourist. Registration was done at commune and permit came through three months later, almost precisely that.
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Re: What to say at passport control?

Flying from Non-Schegen to Geneve (post 4) she would certainly pass by passport control and had her documents checked.
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