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Hello all,

My lovely Swiss partner has asked me to marry him after many years of long distance I have had a look through all the threads in relation to Visas and permits and whatnot, and there is some great information here!

I am an Australian citizen. We plan to get married in Switzerland, so I have started the process with the paperwork etc.

From my understanding, I will be applying for the Visa D, which I understand, however I also have to complete a Preparation for Marriage application which is where I have to prove I am not married, etc. and all of this is submitted through the Swiss Consulate in Sydney to Bern.

Has anyone been through this process recently? I have read some threads here but they are a little older. I would love to have a chat with someone who knows this process clearly or has been through it recently...

Once I get somewhere, I will document my process so that it might help others, as I am getting a little conflicting information between the Swiss Consulate, the Zivilstandsamt etc - so I just want to make sure I am on the right track.

I believe I have to have a letter from the Bern Zivilstandsamt with the date of the intended Marriage before I can really do much more...

Any input would be great! Thanks all
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Re: Non-EU marrying a Swiss Citizen...in Switzerland

Thanks for that - it is helpful

My biggest hurdle is that I am divorced...and the divorce paperwork is from the USA, which means I think I have to get that divorce decree apostilled from the USA, however, I am in Australia, so this should be a fun challenge
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Check with the US embassy if that's something they could do. Might not, but it never hurts to ask.
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Thanks for that, yes I did check, but only the actual State that the documents were issued in can do the Apostille. Oh well - good to know for future! I have managed to find someone in the US who can do this for me, so I have ordered it...here's hoping I get it soon and that the Swiss side accepts it

So it starts...now I have about a million other documents to organise - but that one is by far the most painful.

The Swiss Consulate in Sydney have been really helpful and lovely to deal with so far, which is great. Now we wait....
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Re: Non-EU marrying a Swiss Citizen...in Switzerland

Hi SmittenKitten..

I am just wondering how your applicaton process is going?

My partner and I have been in long distance for 2 years now, with me travelling back and forth to Switzerland (and him vice versa) and we think if this continues for a few more years, we need to be able to make some sort of commitment to one of us moving abroad.

The decision came down to me moving to Switzerland.

However as an Australian, it is very difficult to move to Switzerland without considering marriage. (eg; resident permits and job offers etc.)
We would eventually want to get married, but be 110% sure that we can live side by side and integrate our lives together.

I was wondering if you could provide some feedback, and perhaps keep in contact with me through your journey because I am looking to do the same.
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Hello

No worries, I was actually going to bump my own thread soon with an update, because I thought it might help others who are in a similar situation.

Sorry - long post ahead - however, anything with immigration is always long and arduous, so here goes...

My partner and I have been doing the long distance thing now for around 2.5 years (going back and forward etc). We decided after much consideration that we would get married and that I would move to Switzerland (as he has a daughter there, I have no children here). We will have been together for over 3 years once we are married. We felt this was long enough to wait!! One thing we didn't want to do was just marry to get a Visa, so we waited, discussed it, waited some more, and I went there last year and spent most of the year there living with him just to be certain that this move was right for us.

Please note that my process has been for the Canton of Bern.
We applied for my Visa D in February, basically they required me to have a current police check, birth certificate not less than 6 months old, stat dec with JP witness stating my address and that I was free to marry, etc. I can give you any info on this that you want, just let me know. I submitted everything in English, and they did the translation themselves before sending to Bern.

We went to the Consulate in Sydney to submit my Visa D paperwork at the end of February, and to also do the marriage preparation paperwork which is another whole set of forms to fill out and sign. You have to physically go there to do this, because they need to legalise your signature and ensure that you understand the paperwork (they also had it in English in case you can't understand the other languages). My partner just happened to be in Sydney at the time so he came with me - but usually the Swiss partner just does their part in their own Canton with the appropriate Zivilstandsamt.

The trickiest part for me was that I had to have my divorce documents apostilled by Illinois, USA because my divorce was a US-based divorce - so this complicated things a little bit because they had to check with Washington about the apostille etc. Finally though we got that sorted. If they were Australian documents it would have been a lot easier.

Currently the Swiss Consulate in Sydney advised that the Visa D processing time is 2-4 months. Once I get this, I can enter Switzerland with this Visa and then we will go to the office there to finalise our marriage paperwork/register me with the gemeinde etc. We are at the end now, because my partner has now completed his part, and has submitted it to immigration in Bern - so once they have reviewed they will (hopefully) issue my Visa D - which I then have to go in person to collect with my passport at the Swiss Consulate in Sydney.

They also asked my partner for a photo of us together, and a bunch of questions about our relationship, when we met, where, etc.

So far it has only been 2 months and Bern (who make the final decision on my Visa) have advised that everything looks good so far and that I should have my Visa soon. I am allowed to enter up to 3 months before my wedding date (which is early August). I have already booked my flights, to complicate things further I am taking my kitty cat with me, so it has been a fun process to sort him out with pet transport and also my own stuff, not to mention moving countries. It is definitely not to be underestimated, a lot of organisation goes into it but for me, this is all worth it.

We had to book the actual date of the marriage with the Zivilstandsamt in Bern before we could even start with the Visa application etc - because as part of my application they needed to see the official letter from Bern stating that our marriage is booked and confirmed. There is a lot of back and forward between Bern and Sydney

Also my partner had to prove that he had enough room for me in his flat (which was no issue as it is 3 bedrooms), and that he could support me financially during the time before our marriage. He had to provide a letter proving his employment, and his income too.

I think I am simplifying the process a bit in this message but please send me a message or ask me on here if you need any info at all.

I will say that the Swiss Consulate (Sydney) have been very helpful and friendly throughout, and have answered all of my questions. On the Bern side it has also been good. At some stages it has been stressful because I never knew where my documents were at any given time - were they in Bern yet? Still in the US? lol. Fun times. I think the key here is patience...I just assumed that it would take the whole 4 months, so far it seems to be moving at an okay pace.

I think the most important thing is that you can't submit the birth certificate etc if it is more than 6 months old, so you need to get a new original (not sure what state you are in but I am NSW and it took 10 days). The police certificate (AFP) they said takes 15 working days - I got mine back in 48 hours. So I guess my advice is if you are planning a marriage down the track, I would contact the Consulate as soon as you know just to check with them what you need, and to give yourself enough time. We started all of this in January, for a wedding in August, but we could have probably started in March and still been okay, however I didn't want to risk it. Just getting the documentation together can take a few weeks depending on what you need.

Hopefully this helps! I will keep this thread updated, as my partner is hoping to hear from the immigration side soon. The Consulate in Sydney kind of acts as a go-between - they checked over my paperwork, processed the fee ($487) and then sent it to Bern. They reiterated to me many times that it is Bern that makes the decision, so no matter what, they can only really check that you have the right documentation and send it on.

Hope this helps! Massive post, but you know...this stuff is never simple.

I guess the only thing I could do to ensure that our lives could integrate well was to take advantage of the 90 day Schengen Visa - so that I could live with him for 90 days straight, which I did do. Kind of hard when you have a job though! I had some long visits, because not only did I want to make sure we were compatible, I wanted to know that I liked living there! Well as much as possible. I loved it from the first time I went, still do, and it feels like another home for me, so I am excited to be moving there.

May I ask which part of Switzerland your partner lives in?
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Dear SmittenKitten,

Wow, thankyou for such a response. I really appreciate it and will take in all your words and facts as it makes my journey process seem a little easier now that I know it's not impossible.

Yes of course, I know what you mean about 'not wanting to marry just to get a visa'. I would like to be able to work there, and have a resident permit without having to marry initially, but it seems impossible as an Australian (without any EU/EFTA citizenship).
I think my partner will be able to support me through this journey when the time comes speaking about marriage and afterwards.

Do you speak german by any chance?
I only started learning 2 years ago, and I am about 30% there with my german language, and 30% with my swiss german. However, I still think the language will improve dramatically once I am actually living in Switzerland. It always improves after spending a long period there.

I have just spent 3 months there over the Winter, and the same last Summer. And I will return in the Winter again in December. He has done the same for me and the relationship continues to flourish even with the distance between us. We think that if we continue this for another 2 years or so, moving to Switzerland is a must for our future to blossom together, and considering marriage afterwards if all goes well. (He can't move to Australia as he owns a business, and basically Switzerland has stolen my heart, and my life is a bit more flexible in terms of moving internationally.)

How will you go about finding employment once you have moved to Switzerland? Do you mind if I ask what your plan will be?
Does marrying a swiss also allow you to work freely between any employer?

To reply to your message, he lives in Lucerne. We have been to many other places around Switzerland together, but Lucerne will always be where my heart is, and they say home is where the heart is hey? It's basically become my second home and I know the city and culture very well now.

Well I hope we can keep in touch. I would love to hear from you, and how you're doing in the future, and when you have finally made it to Switzerland, and how life has settled down for you in - only the best country in the world -

With love,
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I am glad that you had a chance to read my novel!!

Yes initially I was looking into going the route of a work visa - but it seemed just too hard for a non-EU to do this (as I am not working in a specialist field or anything and tend to freelance sometimes too). So I put that plan off and we just progressed with the relationship, as we have both been married before, we did not want to rush into it (but if I am honest - the first time we met, it felt right and it has only gotten stronger since, regardless of the horrible distance between us). But we have managed to see each other every few months which has been great. At least both of us don't mind long flights...

Yes my partner is in a similar situation, he has his own successful enterprise too so it would be stupid for him to leave there and move here.

I think if you have a good thing going and both of you are able to deal with the distance, you will be able to maintain this for some more years (not that any of us want to, but these situations are difficult).

As to Switzerland itself - this little country stole my heart too - I absolutely loved my time there (I have spent entire winters and summers too so that I knew how the climate would be). It helps that I love to be outdoors, hiking, skiing, going to the lake - the only thing that will be different for me is that I currently live a 5 min walk from the beach where I am now, so a bit of an adjustment. I love Bern though, I can either walk to the train station from the flat (5 mins) or I can walk into the Old Town (35mins and I love to walk along the Aare River). I can walk to anywhere that I need.

My understanding is once I am married, and I am 'legally' a resident (B permit initially I believe), I am allowed to freely work for any employer just as a Swiss person can. However, my German is abysmal - I would say I am only at an A2 level - I have done some classes but my plan when I move there is for me to study my German and after maybe 6 months to a year I can start working if I feel comfortable (which I should). I find the same as you - if I am there, it is much easier for me to speak/learn German and Swiss German (although, my pronunciation is very entertaining for him). Actually the whole reason this all happened was I was on a German Language Exchange site and he and I connected on there, and the rest as they say is history!

I have only been to Lucerne once and I loved it, sat at the water and had some pizza and a glass of white wine (how good is the Italian food in Switzerland - my gosh!). We are heading back to Lucern in Summer for a few days. Last August we stayed at Ascona for 2 weeks, and last Winter we stayed in Samnaun for a week for skiing. It really is a lovely country.

I have to say, I think my favourite village so far is Spiez - it is the first ever place he took me out for dinner, so it is special for me there.

Yes - keep in touch! I will update my post as I find more out about my Visa application...I dislike waiting very much, as I feel it is so close to being done...sigh
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From my understanding, I will be applying for the Visa D, which I understand, however I also have to complete a Preparation for Marriage application which is where I have to prove I am not married, etc. and all of this is submitted through the Swiss Consulate in Sydney to Bern.
I'm in a similar situation but just thought I'd share what I found out so far. I'm Swiss my partner is a NON-EU. We're getting married this year, but we're not doing it in Switzerland, we're doing it abroad.

I know a few people from NON-EU countries who married a Swiss person in Switzerland. Understanding is, you don't need to apply for any visa. You can enter the country as a tourist and then your partner will fill out a form, that you want to get married.

You then of course have to set a date asap and hand in further documents but once the immigration approves it, you're basically free to stay until you get married. After that, you immediately start the process for your B permit and you're done!

I know this because my dad was in that position and did it like this. If you need any further infos just call up the local immigration office in your canton. Mine also is canton Lucerne btw!

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I know a few people from NON-EU countries who married a Swiss person in Switzerland. Understanding is, you don't need to apply for any visa. You can enter the country as a tourist and then your partner will fill out a form, that you want to get married.

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Hi,

Yes I forgot to mention that Bern did give us the option of me coming in as a tourist and completing the marriage prep documentation etc from there - however they said it is a much more difficult path to take (for some reason) and that the most straightforward way was to do it through Sydney. Which was okay for me because I wasn't ready to move yet as I was still working/packing etc. Also I don't live far from Sydney so it is easier to get there to do it.

But as Emmycat has mentioned, definitely contact them - so far for me they have been really helpful and responsive to my questions
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Just a quick update for anyone who was following this process...we have received our letter now from the Zivilstandsamt (Bern) telling us that our marriage application etc is all in order and 'approved' and that my Visa D can be issued The Gemeinde have now sent all of this to the Swiss consulate in Sydney, so all that is left for me is waiting for the consulate to contact me to let me know when I can go there and give them my passport to get my Visa D...hopefully this happens soon!
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Dear SmittenKitten,
I have just spent 3 months there over the Winter, and the same last Summer. And I will return in the Winter again in December. He has done the same for me and the relationship continues to flourish even with the distance between us. We think that if we continue this for another 2 years or so, moving to Switzerland is a must for our future to blossom together, and considering marriage afterwards if all goes well. (He can't move to Australia as he owns a business, and basically Switzerland has stolen my heart, and my life is a bit more flexible in terms of moving internationally)
With love,
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According to this link, you require the Swiss authorization to stay more than 90 days. https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/a.../entry-ch.html
So how did you manage to stay in Switzerland for 6 months in a year without visa? I'm trying to find this info for a friend.

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Easy, 3 months in, 3 months out, 3 months in and 3 months out.
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Quick update for anyone following this thread - I got my Visa D, entered Switzerland this week, and have visited the lovely Gemeinde to advise them. All paperwork done, I am legal . Just waiting for the permit in the mail now. It is all a big relief, but in all honesty, the entire process only took 3 months, and I had some rather involved paperwork with mine due to apostilles for divorce certificates etc. All in all, the Swiss immigration have been very efficient and it has been a pleasant process overall.
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Time to change the location in your profile then.
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Quick update for anyone following this thread - I got my Visa D, entered Switzerland this week, and have visited the lovely Gemeinde to advise them. All paperwork done, I am legal . Just waiting for the permit in the mail now. It is all a big relief, but in all honesty, the entire process only took 3 months, and I had some rather involved paperwork with mine due to apostilles for divorce certificates etc. All in all, the Swiss immigration have been very efficient and it has been a pleasant process overall.
Thank you for sharing your experience, you gave me a lot of hope, I'm from Tunisia and I started my application for a registred partnership in Zurich( Same-sex couple) I did the same as you but now me and my partner we have been waiting for an answer because I applied at the Embassy of CH in Tunis the 24th of April and till now we heard nothing if my documents have been sent to Switzerland or not yet i'm confused, how long did u have to wait since they called your fiancÚ?
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