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Depends on the range... I regularly go to one (at least every 2 months, but more often once a month). They never took any photocopies of anything. They asked to see an ID (no B permit or anything else). I've been shooting with guests who were visiting from the UK without issues either. No criminal record requested either to rent/shoot.

The most challenge I've had tends to be when they see I have a British passport... I then get either questions about how "we could allow the UK government to steal our weapons", or about brexit...
Yep, for example, since the thread was specific to ZH: in the shooting range in Tivoli shopping center, I got a line and rented a gun by showing my ID and convincing the guy in my broken German that I have shooting experience
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Interesting, my CO2 pistol does not have an orange tip. Boh. Nor does my BB gun (the latter looks like 9mm Glock).
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A PCP air rifle.

I know someone who has several, he uses them for hunting deer and other large animals.

You need a special license for those.

Tom
Mine were not PCP. You pumped'em by hand (like a man, LOL). Around 8 pumps. At my age at the time by the time I was at the 6th pump I had gun between my legs sitting on the floor trying to pull with all my might. And I had 2 more to go.


My father who was a he-man (strenght wise) by the 8th pump did have to really apply alot of pressure to get it closed.


8 pumps, 1 shot. Lethal if on target at right range. No PCP crapola.
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

Quick bump of an old thread...

has anyone (on a B permit), applied for an acquisition permit since the 15th August 2019?

I need to add to my collection, but am struggling a bit in terms of what is now "restricted" (it seems like nothing is restricted, as long as I am part of a shooting club/range...). Therefore, it may make sense to pay for an annual subscription at my local range rather than per-entry as I have been doing now.

Also, has anyone got an idea as what the difference is between: Handfeuerwaffen and Faustfeuerwaffen ? The italian version, as well as google translate, seem to suggest both relate to handguns...
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Also, has anyone got an idea as what the difference is between: Handfeuerwaffen and Faustfeuerwaffen ? The italian version, as well as google translate, seem to suggest both relate to handguns...
Faustfeuerwaffen are handguns (pistols etc.), Handfeuerwaffen are rifles etc.
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Quick bump of an old thread...

has anyone (on a B permit), applied for an acquisition permit since the 15th August 2019?

I need to add to my collection, but am struggling a bit in terms of what is now "restricted" (it seems like nothing is restricted, as long as I am part of a shooting club/range...). Therefore, it may make sense to pay for an annual subscription at my local range rather than per-entry as I have been doing now.

Also, has anyone got an idea as what the difference is between: Handfeuerwaffen and Faustfeuerwaffen ? The italian version, as well as google translate, seem to suggest both relate to handguns...
No direct experience, but just by looking at this schema from ZH cantonal police, it looks like what you say (being a member of a shooting club) helps in case of large magazines exception but not in case of short rifles exception. This seems to mean that to get a short rifle, from now on, the only road is the "collector" one and not the "club shooter" :/
This also seems to be confirmed by this doc, specifically
Sportschützen / Sportschützinnen haben, sofern keine Hinderungsgründe bestehen, ein Recht auf
eine Ausnahmebewilligung. Sie dürfen aber keine Seriefeuerwaffen und keine unter 60 cm kürzbaren Halbautomaten erwerben. Sportschützen / Sportschützinnen können halbautomatische Waffen
mit grossen Magazinen (Ladevorrichtungen mit hoher Kapazität = LhK) und / oder zu halbautomatischen Waffen umgebaute Seriefeuerwaffen, sowie deren wesentliche Waffenbestandteile erwerben.

Sports shooters have the right to, provided there are no obstacles
an exceptional permit. However, you are not allowed to purchase serial firearms or semi-automatic machines that can be shortened under 60 cm. Sports shooters can use semi-automatic weapons
with large magazines (loading devices with high capacity = LhK) and / or serial firearms converted to semi-automatic weapons, and acquire their essential weapon components.


Re Handfeuerwaffen and Faustfeuerwaffen: if you have an Italian link, I'd be happy to take a look
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

The WG lacks the definitions
The definition can be found in Art. 4a of the Ordinance https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a4a

Handfeuerwaffen: Rifles over 60 cm, firearms which are shot with shoulder support, and firearms which are usually shot using both hands.

Faustfeuerwaffen: Pistols and Revolvers, and firearms which are not Handfeuerwaffen.

Shortening of Handfeuerwaffen, specially so that it becomes a Faustfeuerwaffe is not permitted. Art. 20 WG and Art. 33 WV. Also Art. 5 Abs. 1 lit. d WG regarding folding stocks https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a5
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

This link is in all three languages:
https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/fedpol/i...rwerb/faq.html


(top right, you can change the language). The language used is armi corte and armi portatili (short weapons and portable weapons).


I'll send my application off in the next few days, let's see what they say (2x pistols standard mag and 1x rifle with large magazine). Just waiting for a new criminal record to arrive. Will update the thread then. (as always, I will submit it coupled with a copy of my B permit and Italian porto d'armi.

Quali armi sono interessate dalle modifiche e possono ora essere acquistate soltanto con un’autorizzazione eccezionale?

  • Armi da fuoco portatili semiautomatiche dotate di caricatore ad alta capacità di colpi (più di 10 cartucce);
  • armi da fuoco corte semiautomatiche dotate di caricatore ad alta capacità di colpi (più di 20 cartucce);
  • armi da fuoco portatili semiautomatiche con calcio pieghevole o telescopico che possono essere ridotte a una lunghezza inferiore a 60 cm senza perdere funzionalità.
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This link is in all three languages:
Quali armi sono interessate dalle modifiche e possono ora essere acquistate soltanto con un’autorizzazione eccezionale?

  • Armi da fuoco portatili semiautomatiche dotate di caricatore ad alta capacità di colpi (più di 10 cartucce);
  • armi da fuoco corte semiautomatiche dotate di caricatore ad alta capacità di colpi (più di 20 cartucce);
  • armi da fuoco portatili semiautomatiche con calcio pieghevole o telescopico che possono essere ridotte a una lunghezza inferiore a 60 cm senza perdere funzionalità.
From here it looks like short rifles exception is granted to sport shooters (in the same way the large magazine exception is), while the ZH kantonal police link I mentioned above seems to imply the opposite :/
Do you know why?
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From here it looks like short rifles exception is granted to sport shooters (in the same way the large magazine exception is), while the ZH kantonal police link I mentioned above seems to imply the opposite :/
Do you know why?
Not a clue, but ZH police has always been a bit stricter than other cantons with permits.

Give you an example, in one of the Romandie cantons, the police suggested not to put gun models on the form, and just "pistol, revolver or rifle" - giving you the flexibility. No interview, all done by phone and mail.

In ZH on the other hand, they asked the same person for an interview, spoke about gun safety and how to safely store a gun before issuing the permit.

I'll report about AG soon.
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In ZH on the other hand, they asked the same person for an interview, spoke about gun safety and how to safely store a gun before issuing the permit.
I got several Waffenerwerbsscheine in Zurich City and was only invited for a short interview after ordering the first one, and it was less of a two-way interview and more of them telling me things how to safely store a gun. I guess that's just their standard process.
Getting the next ones approved happened completely online. I needed to pick them up in person but it was a simple matter of showing an ID and picking up the papers.

Zurich also doesn't put any gun model information on the WES itself, mine just say "1 Feuerwaffe", so they're good to buy any allowed weapon, be it a pistol or a rifle.

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From here it looks like short rifles exception is granted to sport shooters (in the same way the large magazine exception is)
No it doesn't. It's just a list of all weapon categories that now require an exceptional permit, it doesn't specify the requirements for each category and doesn't mention sport shooting at all.
Unfortunately being a sport shooter is only enough to get an exception for the first two categories (large magazine) and not the third, as is explained elsewhere (e.g. the ZH police website linked above).
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I'll send my application off in the next few days, let's see what they say (2x pistols standard mag and 1x rifle with large magazine). Just waiting for a new criminal record to arrive. Will update the thread then.
Quick update on this - got a call from the police, asking some questions around my UK passport... The guy was friendly as usual (keeping in mind that my German is appalling), and the day after I got my permit for 3 "firearms" with no specification or limitation.
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

A lot of the discussion here seems related to sport shooting and related, but what about self-defense? Like, keeping a revolver in the house (so, not carrying it around except from the shop to home). Do B-permit holders still need a permission from their home country?
Alternatively, keeping a hunting rifle (say, double-barreled) at home without having an active interest for hunting, would that be allowed for a B-permit holder without their home country permission?
(Implicitly excluding "forbidden" nationalities such as Turkish etc)
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

I can't fully answer you question but it my understanding a person can't just buy a gun to have for home defense in Switzerland.

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/produ...on-steel/63681

Get yourself one of these badass knifes instead for about 60 CHF - just as lethal in the right hands.
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A lot of the discussion here seems related to sport shooting and related, but what about self-defense? Like, keeping a revolver in the house (so, not carrying it around except from the shop to home). Do B-permit holders still need a permission from their home country?
Alternatively, keeping a hunting rifle (say, double-barreled) at home without having an active interest for hunting, would that be allowed for a B-permit holder without their home country permission?
(Implicitly excluding "forbidden" nationalities such as Turkish etc)
No. The law specifies the requirements for obtaining a gun in general, the restrictions there do not depend on your intended purpose for the gun.
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I see. It's probably a good thing at the end
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A lot of the discussion here seems related to sport shooting and related, but what about self-defense? Like, keeping a revolver in the house (so, not carrying it around except from the shop to home). Do B-permit holders still need a permission from their home country?
Alternatively, keeping a hunting rifle (say, double-barreled) at home without having an active interest for hunting, would that be allowed for a B-permit holder without their home country permission?
(Implicitly excluding "forbidden" nationalities such as Turkish etc)
You cover two parts:
gun owenership and gun carry.

Ownership (acquisition):
1. For a "normal" gun (less than 20 bullet pistol, less than 10bullet rifle >60cm, semi auto) you don't really need a reason to own it.
2. You do need a WES (acquisition permit), this is farily trivial to get
3. If you want to buy something a bit different (suppressors, full automatics, short rifles with a lot of ammo, etc) you need a "special" WES. They will ask for reasons (e.g. I prefer shooting with a supressor as I have Tinnitus). IF you want larger magazines, you may need to be part of a club (or prove you shoot regularly)
4. Keeping it at home, there are no mandatory requirements that I'm aware of other than you need to keep it safe from others getting to it. Onus is on you as to how (I have a separate room, with a gun safe. Ammo is in a separate safe. Guns all have trigger guards. I'm a bit OTT, but I prefer to be safe)

Carry:
Concealed carry (in fact, ANY carry) needs a special permit. Similar to the special WES. You'll need a valid reason (because I'm scared is not a valid reason, unless you work in special circumstances - e.g. a guardia giurata. Sorry, I dont know the translation). You can bring your gun from home to a range, unloaded (preferrably without the firing pin installed, and in a locked box - but these are my addtions) and back.
Concealed carry is pretty hard to get I'm told.
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

Has anyone ever tried importing airguns? I have some vintage items which are not restricted in anyway in the US market, but would exceed the 7.5 Joule limit here.

And what about parts for such things?

I guess the same question could apply to firearms too.
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Has anyone ever tried importing airguns? I have some vintage items which are not restricted in anyway in the US market, but would exceed the 7.5 Joule limit here.

And what about parts for such things?

I guess the same question could apply to firearms too.
Yes, it's a pain. Ended up reselling them.

The issue is, if it looks like a firearm, my understanding is it's classified as a firearm. There's a thread on here somewhere, where I asked that exact question (I had airguns, bb guns, and blank firers).
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