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Old 15.01.2018, 17:08
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Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

Has anyone gotten a gun acquisition permit on a B-permit in canton Zurich?

I note that it's needed for both "regular" firearms and "free" firearms if you are on a B-permit, but I can't tell if with a B-permit you can only have "free" firearms, or if you can also get regular ones.

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Old 15.01.2018, 17:34
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

See Waffengesetz: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...208/index.html
and corresponding ordinance: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...208/index.html

See in particular: Art. 4, 9a, 10 of the law, and Art. 1-9, 12, 21 of the ordinance.
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

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See Waffengesetz: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...208/index.html
and corresponding ordinance: https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...208/index.html

See in particular: Art. 4, 9a, 10 of the law, and Art. 1-9, 12, 21 of the ordinance.
Thanks - had already been through those (and through this, which is much more readable:
https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/fedpol/i...affen/faq.html )

Key element is the section around foreigners...
I cittadini stranieri che non hanno un permesso di domicilio necessitano di un permesso d’acquisto anche per le armi da caccia e da sport (solitamente esenti dall’obbligo del permesso d’acquisto di armi). Devono inoltre essere in possesso di un’attestazione ufficiale del loro Paese d’origine o di domicilio (qualora siano domiciliati all’estero) che confermi la loro legittimazione ad acquistare l’oggetto in questione.
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

Simple:
Is it a weapon as defined by law and ordinance?

An toy air rifle might not be a weapon. Victorinox knifes such as the Trailmaster and Hunter are not weapons (but might be forbidden weapons in the UK and other countries)

If it is a weapon you will need a purchase permit.

You can get a permit if you are not from one of the black listed countries AND your home country gives permission.
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

is Switzerland Turkish and Yugoslavian people cannot have firearms other than that you just have to apply and they will do a background screening to make sure you don't have any crimes and make sure you list the purpose not self-protection because that is not a valid reason in Switzerland

the reason must collector sport or work

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Has anyone gotten a gun acquisition permit on a B-permit in canton Zurich?

I note that it's needed for both "regular" firearms and "free" firearms if you are on a B-permit, but I can't tell if with a B-permit you can only have "free" firearms, or if you can also get regular ones.

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Simple:
Is it a weapon as defined by law and ordinance?

An toy air rifle might not be a weapon. Victorinox knifes such as the Trailmaster and Hunter are not weapons (but might be forbidden weapons in the UK and other countries)

If it is a weapon you will need a purchase permit.

You can get a permit if you are not from one of the black listed countries AND your home country gives permission.
From what I can tell, there are two categories of weapons:
* free weapons (e.g. shotguns, hunting rifles, and single-shot (break-barrel and bolt-action) rifles
* weapons requiring an acquisition permit (most semi-automatic rifles, pistols, etc)

Free weapons do not need an acquisition permit if you have a residence (C-permit), but need them if you have a B-permit.

The ones with an acquisition permit is where there is conflicting information, on some sites it seems to say you need a C-permit before you can get said acquisition permit. On other sites, it says you can still apply on a B-permit for an acquisition permit for these. (all government sites)

Which is why I was asking, has anyone gotten an acquisition permit with a B-permit rather than a C?
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From what I can tell, there are two categories of weapons:
* free weapons (e.g. shotguns, hunting rifles, and single-shot (break-barrel and bolt-action) rifles
* weapons requiring an acquisition permit (most semi-automatic rifles, pistols, etc)

Free weapons do not need an acquisition permit if you have a residence (C-permit), but need them if you have a B-permit.
I would not call it "free weapons".

The law is like this:
1) There are weapons and relevant parts of weapon.
2) Weapons and relevant parts of weapon need an acquisition permit.
2a) Certain specific named weapons and relevant parts can be acquired w/o a permit.
3) People from certain countries are not allowed to acquire, own any weapon.
4) People w/o a C-permit need always a permit to acquire a weapon regardless of 2a).
4a) People w/o a C-permit need consent from their home country to get a permit.

That's all the law and also the FEDPOL says.
The law does not say you can acquire only does which do not need a permit, it says you also need a permit for those.

As you say all government website says this, why do you care what is written on 3rd party/private websites when it is the government/FEDPOL which grants acquisition permits?
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

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I would not call it "free weapons".

The law is like this:
1) There are weapons and relevant parts of weapon.
2) Weapons and relevant parts of weapon need an acquisition permit.
2a) Certain specific named weapons and relevant parts can be acquired w/o a permit.
3) People from certain countries are not allowed to acquire, own any weapon.
4) People w/o a C-permit need always a permit to acquire a weapon regardless of 2a).
4a) People w/o a C-permit need consent from their home country to get a permit.

That's all the law and also the FEDPOL says.
The law does not say you can acquire only does which do not need a permit, it says you also need a permit for those.

As you say all government website says this, why do you care what is written on 3rd party/private websites when it is the government/FEDPOL which grants acquisition permits?
My German is pretty bad, but the google translation of "freie" leads me to use the word free oh and the attached picture

That said it's not so much what third party websites say - it's what people on this forum say (i.e. has someone actually managed to get the acquisition permit on a B-permit). My guess is that no-one here has, as otherwise they would have spoken up by now.

Consent from home country will be interesting... I wonder what's termed as "home country"... I have 5 nationalities...

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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

Actually - one follow up question. Has anyone gotten the letter from their home country (either UK or Italy being the easiest for me) saying that they can buy a gun?

Would have no idea who to approach in either country...
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

So has anybody actually got one of these letters from their home country??
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So has anybody actually got one of these letters from their home country??
I did.

Tried the UK, no response (from the licensing department. UK embassy tried helping by pointing me to random swiss regulations, including those I sent them).

Tried the Portuguese, who promised a lot, but delivered nothing.

Tried the Italian, who were confused... and eventually stopped replying to the phone.

Was easier to get a gun permit in another country (I have a few nationalities), and bring there back here as "proof"
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4) People w/o a C-permit need always a permit to acquire a weapon regardless of 2a).
Does that mean that people with a C-permit don't need a permit to buy a gun?
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

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Depends on what type of gun. Essentially, if you’re on a c permit, you’re treated by the same rules as a swiss citizen.

So most hunting rifles, single shot break barrel stuff, and some military assault rifles you dont need a permit for.
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Depends on what type of gun. Essentially, if you’re on a c permit, you’re treated by the same rules as a swiss citizen.

So most hunting rifles, single shot break barrel stuff, and some military assault rifles you dont need a permit for.
Wow. So I could walk into a shop and just buy one?

Not that I want to, but it shouldn't be that easy.
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Wow. So I could walk into a shop and just buy one?
Pretty much. In fact, you don't need a gun ownership permit in Switzerland (no-one does). As a C-permit holder you just register your purchase with the police, that sometimes gets mistaken as a gun ownership permit.

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Why not? You'll find that gun ownership figures are VERY high in Switzerland, yet gun-related deaths are low...
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

would a c permit holder need a permit for a 9mm beretta? (just curious)
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Yes, for any pistol.

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Yes, for any pistol.

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To buy a pistol, you'll need an acquisition permit:
https://suisse-epolice.ch/epolice/it...fenerwerb.html
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So most hunting rifles, single shot break barrel stuff, and some military assault rifles you dont need a permit for.
For assault riffles you will need a permit. But for non-assault, manual repeating Swiss military riffles such as Karabiner 11 or 31 , Langgewehr 11 and older like the Veterli (a full (?) list http://www.waffensammlung.ch/index.p...epetiergewehre ) you do not need one.
Art. 10 Waffengesetz and Art. 19 Waffenverordnung.
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Re: Gun Acquisition Permit on a B-Permit (ZH)

These rules are likely to change, however, as the Federal Council and Parliament are currently seeing how best to implement Schengen regulations on domestic firearms possession. If you do get a firearm, make sure you keep an eye on how affairs progress to make sure you don’t get into trouble with any future regulations.
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