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Time to get work permit

Hello ppl,
I might get an interesting offer to work in zurich as senior software engineer in a global bank,I am an Indian,currently I have unlimited work permit in germany and mostly i might get german citizenship in 2 yrs.I have few questions before making a challenging move to zurich.

1.what can be the standard salary for a senior software engineer in a bank
(please point me to any link as i did not find thru search)?

2.The time taken to process visa for me and my wife,the type of visa and validity?

I have searched this forum but did not find any valid answers

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Old 17.12.2006, 19:51
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Re: Time to get work permit

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I have unlimited work permit in germany and mostly i might get german citizenship in 2 yrs.
Are you sure about moving to Switzerland? As a Non-EU, you will get a B permit wich expires every year, you will need 10 Years (10 renewals) to get a Permanent residency (C permit). Your wife will get a B permit also, but she will not be allowed to work, unless a company wants to sponsor her and do the paperwork (which unless she has unique/special skills is very unlikely to happen).

If you wait 2 years, and get german Citzizenship, and get another job offer in CH, as an EU national: You get a 5 Year B-Permit, after that you get a C-Permit (Permanent Residence); same thing with your wife. Such an unfair world

Check the following link, and read about L-permit, B-permit an C-permit.
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/index.php?id...=1%2Findex.pkn

Anyways, here are a couple of links where you can start with (in english):

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/index.php?id=655&L=3
www.ch.ch

You can find tons of info in german.

About your salary, I cant really say, as I dont work in the banking sector, but I would say more than 120K a year.

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Re: Time to get work permit

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1.what can be the standard salary for a senior software engineer in a bank
Roughly CHF 90K to 135K would be the range for IT bods.

It depends on how well you negotiate, your skillset (DBMS, C#, Java etc) and how many other (ie cheaper or easier to employ) candidates there are...
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Re: Time to get work permit

Kayser Soze and gbn thanks for the useful info,It would be great if someone tells me the time taken to procees the visa for me and my wife?
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Re: Time to get work permit

Mine took about 2 months. But if its a top bank like UBS / CS, then it might take lesser.

But do seriously think about Kayser's advice. If you are looking for a long term stay in EU, you are better off getting that German citizenship.

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Re: Time to get work permit

My first B-Permit took around 3 months, my wife's almost 4. Once having the permit, every renewal took around 2 to 3 weeks, very straight forward.
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Hi Everyone,
I need some more info as I am starting to negotiate the job offer in zurich
1.Do i need to pay agent fee for finding and renting flat in zurich as that is common in munich?
2.what tax is applicable for a married person in zurich canton?

Still I could not find the range of salary to negotiate ,please check the following link and let me know ur opinions?
http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.cf...&Action=Search

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Re: Time to get work permit

its not true that spouse of B permit holder is NOT allowed to work.

http://www.amcham.ch/switzerland/m_e...ork_permit.htm
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its not true that spouse of B permit holder is NOT allowed to work.

http://www.amcham.ch/switzerland/m_e...ork_permit.htm
Hi bob30,
sorry,this does not answer my questions.
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Re: Time to get work permit

answers to your questions (to the best of my knowledge)

* sr software engineer + bank + zurich : should not settle for anything less than 120K
* i havent used a real estate agent. It is very common to use the site (www.homegate.ch) for that purpose, then you dont have to worry about agent fee(i didnt pay any).
* for tax calculation purposes you can use:
https://entry.credit-suisse.ch/csfs/...hner/index.jsp
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Re: Time to get work permit

Looking at those salary reports, they all seem quite high - 110k for an average bartender (20Fr/hr base tops plus some tips will not get close!), 103k for a bus driver (there was a thing in the 20 minuten the other day listing ~80k as the top level I think for ZVV drivers), it even lists Cashiers (as in department and grocery stores) as 163k/yr and fast food cooks at 92k...The average salary in Zurich is something about 60k...

Anyone have any clue where these numbers are coming from? (other than "These numbers are derived from real, area specific, survey data")

Maybe try this site to give you an idea of Ch salaries:
http://promeco.ne.ch/pages/e/eco_data_sal_e.asp

andrew

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Hi Everyone,
I need some more info as I am starting to negotiate the job offer in zurich
1.Do i need to pay agent fee for finding and renting flat in zurich as that is common in munich?
2.what tax is applicable for a married person in zurich canton?

Still I could not find the range of salary to negotiate ,please check the following link and let me know ur opinions?
http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.cf...&Action=Search

Merry Christmas
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Old 26.12.2006, 18:47
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Re: Time to get work permit

This is my opinion: Stay in Germany and get German citizenship. If you are that good, it will not matter if you apply for a job in CH in the future. There will still be jobs here in Switzerland.
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Old 26.12.2006, 19:40
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Re: Time to get work permit

Another option is to live in Germany and commute every day. For example, Basel is on the German border and about an hour from Zurich. Waldshut is probably your closest to Zurich, but it is a smaller town.

Definitely don't give up your chance for German citizenship if you want to get it. It will only help you with job prospects in Europe.

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This is my opinion: Stay in Germany and get German citizenship. If you are that good, it will not matter if you apply for a job in CH in the future. There will still be jobs here in Switzerland.
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Old 26.12.2006, 20:02
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Re: Time to get work permit

I agree, you should live in Germany and work in Zuerich. If you already have a job offer , it really does not matter if the Bank gets you a permit for Switzerland or a working Visa if you live in Germany.
Check out little towns in Germany near Schaffhausen / Switzerland like Jestetten.
Small town but very nice , great to commute to Zuerich by train or car.
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Waldshut is probably your closest to Zurich, but it is a smaller town.

Definitely don't give up your chance for German citizenship if you want to get it. It will only help you with job prospects in Europe.
Somebody mentioned another town as well (Waldshut-Tiengen is nice nonetheless). If I read your post before correctly, you are employed in München... If so, just stay in München and look into coming here two years from now. There will still be jobs here. I sometimes wonder if these Brits or other EU people even understand what it means to have a residency permit! You cannot simple choose where you live or where you work if you are from Asia! You cannot move to a border town and work in CH, unless I really am missing out on something.
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Re: Time to get work permit

I would like to add one point
I am not so interested in getting german citizenship,I want to gain
international experience.
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Re: Time to get work permit

I have accepted the offer and will be moving to zurich in April,the company promised to process B permit for me and my wife for 3 years.I am interested to know If a B permit holder can study masters degree course in zurich without any additional permits?

Thanks & New year greetings!
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I am not entirely sure whether your company will be able to get you a 'B' permit for three years straightaway with an Indian passport.
I hate to say this, but it would have been really worth it if you had stayed in Germany for two more years and obtained an EU citizenship.

With an Indian passport in Switzerland, you will be treated like a criminal at the local immigration office. You won't be able to switch jobs like you wish, you won't be able to travel closer to time when you have to renew your B permit etc. I am talking from my own experience, I had an Indian passport when I moved to Switzerland and I was treated like a piece of trash. Towards the end of last year, I obtained EU citizenship and everything changed, I really mean everything. (By the way, I applied for my EU citizenship before I moved to Switzerland). Please please don't throw away the chances of your German citizenship. Please take some time to think.

I have an Indian friend who lived in London but got a job offer in Switzerland. He negotiated with his employer that he would work from home in UK for 18 months until he gets a British passport and then move over to Switzerland. Worth looking into such an arrangement for yourself.
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Re: Time to get work permit

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I am not entirely sure whether your company will be able to get you a 'B' permit for three years straightaway with an Indian passport.
I hate to say this, but it would have been really worth it if you had stayed in Germany for two more years and obtained an EU citizenship.

With an Indian passport in Switzerland, you will be treated like a criminal at the local immigration office. You won't be able to switch jobs like you wish, you won't be able to travel closer to time when you have to renew your B permit etc. I am talking from my own experience, I had an Indian passport when I moved to Switzerland and I was treated like a piece of trash.
Hi there!

I have an Indian passport and lived in Switzerland for around 7 years now. I have changed jobs twice, have travelled extensively, even when my permits were being renewed, had a B-permit before and a L-permit now. I have never been treated as a criminal (or even close) at the local immigration office because of my Indian Passport. I am sorry you had a bad time at the immigation office, but it was probably due to some ignorant and rude clerk who treats every auslaender in the same manner.
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Re: Time to get work permit

I am glad that you have had good experience with the immigration officials in Switzerland. Probably you are one of the few lucky ones. I have heard horror stories from many other so called 'third country' nationals on top of my own experience.

I can safely assume that you don't mind queing up for visas every time you want to travel to the rest of Europe and far (with the foreign embassy officials asking intimidating questions), don't mind applying for a re-entry visa every time your permit is up for renewal and don't mind being asked questions at the immigration counter every time before entering Switzerland. I don't see any issues with sacrificing an EU passport if you don't mind these hassles.

Nevertheless, my recommendation to the original poster still holds, especially when the opportunity to obtain an EU passport is so close offering an opportunity to make one's life so very easy.
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