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B permit struggle

Hi,

I was wondering if anybody could help please?

I am currently on an L permit, which runs out at the end of February. I'm trying and failing to get a job, and was wondering about how on earth I can get my B permit. I've spent the last four months studying German with Migros Klubschule to A2 level.

I moved here to be with my (Swiss) boyfriend, who is now working for his Dad's company. Does anybody know the wage level for me to apply as his dependant? I've rung up the migrations office, but they wouldn't give me an exact figure.

We've been together for almost 6 years but not married or engaged, does that count towards anything?

Any help is much appreciated, thank you in advance! (sorry if this question has been duplicated before..)
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Old 31.01.2018, 14:13
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Re: B permit struggle

Have him sign that you live with him and that he is taking financial responsibility for you (that is if he has the space and income to do so).

Else I see no way for you to get a new permit, unless you can find and land a job within a month.
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Re: B permit struggle

As a non-EU national getting a job here won't be easy since you'd come under the non-EU hiring criteria.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

As for a concubine permit - which is what the Swiss call the permit for unmarried hetrosexual couples - well, only the cantonal migration office can tell him since he will need to agree to be financially responsible for you for 5 years. And you'll also have to prove a long term, committed relationship that ideally will end in marriage. So expect to be asked why you're not yet, what plans you have to do so, etc. And I'm not sure that permit would allow you to work here. Also some cantons don't seem to offer it. Your boyfriend needs to check with the cantonal migration office whether it would be possible or not, if so then he needs to fill in the forms and you both will need to provide proof of the relationship.
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As a non-EU national getting a job here won't be easy since you'd come under the non-EU hiring criteria.
Isle of Man is EU, though (Manx).
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Re: B permit struggle

I knew someone would say that. Sorry, but no, it's not.

"The Isle of Man holds neither membership nor associate membership of the European Union, and lies outside the European Economic Area (EEA). Nonetheless, Protocol 3 permits trade in Manx goods without non-EU tariffs.[3] In conjunction with the Customs and Excise agreement with the UK, this facilitates free trade with the UK. While Manx goods can be freely moved within the EEA, people, capital and services cannot.

Like Jersey and Guernsey, the Isle of Man is neither part of the United Kingdom nor a direct member of the European Community, but its relationship with the EU is defined under Article 355(5)(c) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (former Article 299 of the EC Treaty) and Protocol 3.[4]

The restriction on free movement of persons is anomalous in that the treaty establishing the EU clearly states that all citizens of member states will also be citizens of the EU. However a special protocol was inserted in the Treaty of Accession which excluded the Channel Islands and Isle of Man from the provisions governing free movement of people. This was done at the request of the governments of those Crown dependencies."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extern...European_Union

Therefore, the OP comes under the non-EU hiring rules if she wants to find a job here.
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Re: B permit struggle

Clicked quick reply - not sure if that's the correct thing to do or not?

Having a manx passport is a pain, however I have freedom of movement/work as my Grandad is Scottish, therefore I get the EU benefits. If I were "true" Manx, it would mean that I have to abide by non-EU rules. Full Manx people have a note in the back of their passport stating that they are not entitled to EU benefits.

This is what i'm lead to believe anyway, as the Isle of Man passport office, the UK passport office, and Swiss immigration all seem to disagree. Swiss immigration at the airport always have to "Mash it through" the system, as it goes to reject me each time - I fly through Basel now!
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Sorry, but why would you have free movement rights just because your grandfather was Scottish?

I suggest you run your details through the www.gov.uk website passport section - because I believe your assumption is wrong.
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Sorry, but why would you have free movement rights just because your grandfather was Scottish?
Not sure if this link will work or not, but here is a photo of what is written in your passport of you are fully Manx: https://www.facebook.com/groups/5251...4662307717872/
It states: "The holder is not entitled to benefit from EU provisions related to employment or establishment"

Whereas mine states: "There are no official observations". It also says that I am a British citizen, and it's an EU issued passport. Either way, it's a bit of pain, and whilst I identify as Manx, I now state British when people ask!
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Re: B permit struggle

If you qualify for a British passport then get one. Will save you a lot of hassle at airports - at least for a few more years. Also do it before the fees go up soon.
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If you qualify for a British passport then get one. Will save you a lot of hassle at airports - at least for a few more years. Also do it before the fees go up soon.
Good idea! To be honest it wasn't until quite recently (past two years or so?) that my passport started having issues at immigration - maybe I just look dodgy to them!
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Re: B permit struggle

It may help with registration here too, since at the moment the Swiss seem to consider you as a non-EU. If you do find a job independently from the concubine permit an employer would have to prove they can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the job. With a British passport declaring your EU status all you'd need to do is present your employment contract to the gemeinder admin office and you're done.
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