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Questions regarding same sex partnership in Switzerland.

Hello !

This is my first post and I would like to say Hi to everybody.

Short background about us : I am from European Union, Romania to be specific and he is from Switzerland.

We are in a long distance relationship but we are planned to unite in about little over a year in Switzerland and settle down there.

The problem is that, as far as I understand, I need certain permits to stay there and I won't study nor work (just yet). This until I accommodate and learn more than the basic language, so this will take more than 3 months which is the standard visiting allowed time.

We looked into same-sex marriage but it isn't there yet so we came with the idea of signing up for same-sex partnership instead.

Now, I am a little confused and I don't quite understand how it works. Although I read the requirements.
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My questions would be :

1)Will they think that the partnership is just a facade for me to live with him? Because it is clearly not.
2)Will they need proof that we've been together for some time before I came there and if so how can I prove it?
3)Will I get some kind of permit that will allow me to stay indefinitely as long as I'm in Switzerland so I won't need to enroll in college nor find a job as soon as I get there?
4)Does my boyfriend need to prove that he can sustain both of us financially?

I have more questions regarding this topic, but mostly revolve around these 4.

Thank you, have a good night!
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Old 12.02.2018, 19:51
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Re: Questions regarding same sex partnership in Switzerland.

#4 for sure.

Copies of your correspondance over the years would be great to have for #2/

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Old 12.02.2018, 20:05
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Re: Questions regarding same sex partnership in Switzerland.

Welcome to the Forum.
  1. Maybe. Depends on how long you've been together and what you provide as proof under 2.
  2. Generally tickets from trips together, photographs, statements about how you met, etc. You probably should have a plan of what you'll do in Switzerland as well. No school, no work...so the idea is...what exactly? You don't have to answer me of course, but you'll need to explain to the authorities here.
  3. Not indefinite, as that's reserved for permanent residents. You would likely receive a 1-year B permit that has to be renewed annually. This is what happens when you're in a heterosexual marriage with a Swiss citizen, so I imagine the same-sex partnership is similar.
  4. Yes, and that his accommodation is large enough by Swiss standards for both of you.
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Re: Questions regarding same sex partnership in Switzerland.

I'm not sure you're clear on what a same-sex registered partnership is here. It's basically almost the same as marriage, but for same sex couples. You don't just sign up for it, you have to go through the ceremony, do the name change thing, etc.

https://www.ch.ch/en/register-same-sex-partnership/

Yes he will need to show that the accommodation is big enough for both of you and that he earns enough to support you both.

As his dependent you'll get a B permit renewable yearly as 3Wishes said. If the partnership gets dissolved then you lose the right to the permit so would either need to have a job here (limits on hiring Romanians at the moment - not sure if it can be extended past June this year), have a student permit and be able to support yourself financially or leave the country.
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Re: Questions regarding same sex partnership in Switzerland.

They don't need to do the "name change thing"
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They don't need to do the "name change thing"
"Since 1.1.2013, under the new legal provision, both spouses keep their original surnames. They can still choose a shared family name if they want, however. In this case they must choose either the bride or the groom’s surname. In registered partnerships, the couple can also choose one of the partners’ names as a shared family name."

https://www.ch.ch/en/married-name/

Can if they want to. Doesn't apply on official documents though iirc.
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"Since 1.1.2013, under the new legal provision, both spouses keep their original surnames. They can still choose a shared family name if they want, however. In this case they must choose either the bride or the groom’s surname. In registered partnerships, the couple can also choose one of the partners’ names as a shared family name."

https://www.ch.ch/en/married-name/

Can if they want to. Doesn't apply on official documents though iirc.
Yes, it does.

Hypenated names don't, however, but may be used.

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#4 for sure.

Copies of your correspondance over the years would be great to have for #2/

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At the point #4 I read that he has to prove that his apartment is suitable for me to come.

Any idea if they would summon us separately or together and request the proof for #2 ?
In this case we have screenshots, pictures, planet tickets, payments, etc. so I guess the chance that they'll say yes is bigger?

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  1. Maybe. Depends on how long you've been together and what you provide as proof under 2.
  2. Generally tickets from trips together, photographs, statements about how you met, etc. You probably should have a plan of what you'll do in Switzerland as well. No school, no work...so the idea is...what exactly? You don't have to answer me of course, but you'll need to explain to the authorities here.
  3. Not indefinite, as that's reserved for permanent residents. You would likely receive a 1-year B permit that has to be renewed annually. This is what happens when you're in a heterosexual marriage with a Swiss citizen, so I imagine the same-sex partnership is similar.
  4. Yes, and that his accommodation is large enough by Swiss standards for both of you.
1.Well, when I'll be there we would be very close to 2 years together, does it really count for them? Proof would be pictures of us together, payments, screenshots over the years, pictures over the years, etc.

2.Yes, we will have all of these proofs nicely stocked into a folder. I am soon going to start learning German language so as soon as I get there and accommodate I'll be looking for a job / enroll into college.
Is this reason enough? Because that is our plan.

3.Mhm, permit that I'll request and get after our partnership is registered and accepted.

4.Do you have any idea if a studio apartment would do?

Thank you for your answers.

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I'm not sure you're clear on what a same-sex registered partnership is here. It's basically almost the same as marriage, but for same sex couples. You don't just sign up for it, you have to go through the ceremony, do the name change thing, etc.

https://www.ch.ch/en/register-same-sex-partnership/

Yes he will need to show that the accommodation is big enough for both of you and that he earns enough to support you both.

As his dependent you'll get a B permit renewable yearly as 3Wishes said. If the partnership gets dissolved then you lose the right to the permit so would either need to have a job here (limits on hiring Romanians at the moment - not sure if it can be extended past June this year), have a student permit and be able to support yourself financially or leave the country.
No, I'm not really sure how things work there. Yes I read in a similar thread that it's a lengthy process.

Any idea if a studio apartment would do or does he need an apartment with 2 bedrooms?

Thank you for your answers.


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They don't need to do the "name change thing"
I'd love to have his name.
Thanks for the answer.

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"Since 1.1.2013, under the new legal provision, both spouses keep their original surnames. They can still choose a shared family name if they want, however. In this case they must choose either the bride or the groom’s surname. In registered partnerships, the couple can also choose one of the partners’ names as a shared family name."

https://www.ch.ch/en/married-name/

Can if they want to. Doesn't apply on official documents though iirc.
Thank you for your answers, I'd really like to have his name.

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Yes, it does.

Hypenated names don't, however, but may be used.

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At the point #4 I read that he has to prove that his apartment is suitable for me to come.
And earns enough money and/or has enough cash to support the two of you.

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Re: Questions regarding same sex partnership in Switzerland.

Kudos to OP getting indeendently educated on his options. I do think it is easier for his local partner to figure all this out here, in his mother tongue and specific townhall, istead of a distant inquierer from Romania who does not know the ropes here and depends on strangers online. Good luck OP! And thanks for asking here, the info will not help only you but others as well.

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A studio should be okay for 2. The usual way to work this out is number of people less 1 for number of rooms. One bed might be better if only to give you more space in general.
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And earns enough money and/or has enough cash to support the two of you.

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Is there any specific amount ? His job usually pays around 4,000 CHF.

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Kudos to OP getting educated independently on his options. I do think it is easier for his local partner to figure all this out here, in his mother tongue and specific townhall, istead of a distant inquierer from Romania who does not know the ropes here and depends on strangers online. Good luck OP! And thanks for asking here, the info will not help only you but others as well.
Aww, thank you !

Well, truth to be told I'm a worrier and I'd like to get informed about anything before just so I don't get surprised or sent back to Romania after I closed every rent contract that I'll be having here. In 2019 I'll graduate and plan to move with him. Although I have enough time I prefer to be informed and integrate well into Switzerland society.

I suggested him to call visit or just to send an e-mail, but it's really too early.

And yes, as you said, this thread will be here for many years so others can visit and get informed too.

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A studio should be okay for 2. The usual way to work this out is number of people less 1 for number of rooms. One bed might be better if only to give you more space in general.
My guess would be that 2 bedroom apartments are more expensive than the studio ones. I'd prefer a small, one bedroom apartment to be honest, but it's not me who decides, it's the authorities.

Thank you all, I'll keep this thread updated until I'll see myself in a civil same-sex partnership with a nice permit in my hands, just so other people will know and see the exact steps.
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Actually, it's not. The minimum would be a studio, but if you want to rent a one-bed that's fine with the authorities. If you want to rent an even bigger place that's fine too. What wouldn't be acceptable would be a family of 4 trying to cram into a studio or one-bed place. They're simply not acceptable under Swiss standards. Even a 2-bed would be unacceptable if the children are over a certain age, since it's expected they'll have their own bedrooms.
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Is there any specific amount ? His job usually pays around 4,000 CHF.
From what I have seen here, they use minimum numbers similar to this:
http://www.budgetberatung.ch/Budgetbeispiele.19.0.html
So CHF 4000 is a bit more than the minimum.


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My guess would be that 2 bedroom apartments are more expensive than the studio ones. I'd prefer a small, one bedroom apartment to be honest, but it's not me who decides, it's the authorities.

Thank you all, I'll keep this thread updated until I'll see myself in a civil same-sex partnership with a nice permit in my hands, just so other people will know and see the exact steps.
A one bedroom apartment would have 2 to 2 1/2 rooms. A Studio is 1 room or 1 1/2 room apartment.
As you see, we do not count and advertise bedrooms but rooms which includes the living room (Except Geneva where the kitchen is sometimes also counted as full room). What a 1/2 room is depends, could be a large kitchen suitable for a dining table, a larger than usual living/main room, a large hallway where could put a desk for using as office.
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Re: Questions regarding same sex partnership in Switzerland.

I'm a bit surprised that you didn't come across this:

https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/swi...nd/family/lgbt

Did it not provide better info. than here?
There are so many gay organisations here in Switzerland - can't imagine why you'd choose EF ;-)
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https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/swi...nd/family/lgbt

Did it not provide better info. than here?
There are so many gay organisations here in Switzerland - can't imagine why you'd choose EF ;-)
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No, I did not come across that side you just provided, but thank you
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No, I did not come across that side you just provided, but thank you
No prob.

Hopefully it provides you better with the links that you need, otherwise get back.

The local Townhall in Zurich which can provide the usual source of input on gay and lesbian relationship related questions, same as for any one else.

There are also many established and professional groups (which can easily be found on-line) that can also provide info.
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